Mehendi hai rachne wali discussion thread 67 - Page 65

Originally posted by: subbuappu

I agree that Raghav and Amma's ways are not correct but what I think is if it was not Sunny for whom Keerthi is adamant and some other in Sunny's place, they would have definitely agreed. Even in the start of Hyd track Amma asked Keerthi if she loves some one? If so, she will have them get married. Also Raghav was ok to get her married with sunny but now they are completely against because they know how much manipulative of a person Sunny is and how he helped Mandar even after knowing he tried to kill his own mother and they realized how much of a bad influence is sunny

I wrote about Raghav and Amma's wrong approach because it's been highlighted in recent episodes. Keerti has been messing up for a while now and we've called it out many times already so I didn't focus on it today. She's gone to the dark side and while I understand her character's internal battles and emotional state, she is in such a dark pit of her own making that I don't see how she can get out of it so easily. Sunny has a hold over her heart and mind and won't let her slip out of his grasp so easily. The rest of the Raos have alienated her so who will open her eyes and mind?

I know that's the current focus on the show and it's too much to expect, but after Sunki marry I wonder if they will show parallels in both marriages to make Keerti realize where she went wrong in choosing Sunny and siding with him in illegal and immoral activities. Yes, he emotionally manipulated her and she's messed up but her blind rage against Raghav made her dig a deeper grave.

As I said a few times before, if the plan is to redeem her eventually then she has to do more than just apologize and ask for forgiveness. I know Raghav and Amma will forgive her if she is remorseful but for her own character growth I'd like to see her atone. She was always shown to be intelligent and generous towards others in the beginning but her blind spot was always Raghav. Until she accepts him, and stops hating herself for loving him, she won't be able to understand him. He in turn has to make amends for everything wrong that he's done as a brother. From where I see him, he's been a total failure in this role.

I guess what I'm trying to say is that she's done inexcusable things especially recently even though her conscience kept warning her, so I want a proper redemption for her, just for her own sake. However, her mother and brother's actions are completely wrong at the moment and are driving her further away. As people who are supposedly older and more mature than her, they should bridge the gap and support her in the right way, calmly. Physical and emotional abuse is not the solution.

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Originally posted by: inlieu

I wrote about Raghav and Amma's wrong approach because it's been highlighted in recent episodes. Keerti has been messing up for a while now and we've called it out many times already so I didn't focus on it today. She's gone to the dark side and while I understand her character's internal battles and emotional state, she is in such a dark pit of her own making that I don't see how she can get out of it so easily. Sunny has a hold over her heart and mind and won't let her slip out of his grasp so easily. The rest of the Raos have alienated her so who will open her eyes and mind?

I know that's the current focus on the show and it's too much to expect, but after Sunki marry I wonder if they will show parallels in both marriages to make Keerti realize where she went wrong in choosing Sunny and siding with him in illegal and immoral activities. Yes, he emotionally manipulated her and she's messed up but her blind rage against Raghav made her dig a deeper grave.

As I said a few times before, if the plan is to redeem her eventually then she has to do more than just apologize and ask for forgiveness. I know Raghav and Amma will forgive her if she is remorseful but for her own character growth I'd like to see her atone. She was always shown to be intelligent and generous towards others in the beginning but her blind spot was always Raghav. Until she accepts him, and stops hating herself for loving him, she won't be able to understand him. He in turn has to make amends for everything wrong that he's done as a brother. From where I see him, he's been a total failure in this role.

I guess what I'm trying to say is that she's done inexcusable things especially recently even though her conscience kept warning her, so I want a proper redemption for her, just for her own sake. However, her mother and brother's actions are completely wrong at the moment and are driving her further away. As people who are supposedly older and more mature than her, they should bridge the gap and support her in the right way, calmly. Physical and emotional abuse is not the solution.

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Originally posted by: inlieu

I wrote about Raghav and Amma's wrong approach because it's been highlighted in recent episodes. Keerti has been messing up for a while now and we've called it out many times already so I didn't focus on it today. She's gone to the dark side and while I understand her character's internal battles and emotional state, she is in such a dark pit of her own making that I don't see how she can get out of it so easily. Sunny has a hold over her heart and mind and won't let her slip out of his grasp so easily. The rest of the Raos have alienated her so who will open her eyes and mind?

I know that's the current focus on the show and it's too much to expect, but after Sunki marry I wonder if they will show parallels in both marriages to make Keerti realize where she went wrong in choosing Sunny and siding with him in illegal and immoral activities. Yes, he emotionally manipulated her and she's messed up but her blind rage against Raghav made her dig a deeper grave.

As I said a few times before, if the plan is to redeem her eventually then she has to do more than just apologize and ask for forgiveness. I know Raghav and Amma will forgive her if she is remorseful but for her own character growth I'd like to see her atone. She was always shown to be intelligent and generous towards others in the beginning but her blind spot was always Raghav. Until she accepts him, and stops hating herself for loving him, she won't be able to understand him. He in turn has to make amends for everything wrong that he's done as a brother. From where I see him, he's been a total failure in this role.

I guess what I'm trying to say is that she's done inexcusable things especially recently even though her conscience kept warning her, so I want a proper redemption for her, just for her own sake. However, her mother and brother's actions are completely wrong at the moment and are driving her further away. As people who are supposedly older and more mature than her, they should bridge the gap and support her in the right way, calmly. Physical and emotional abuse is not the solution.

Raghav thought of taking up disguise and living in D house to save pallavi and her family. Why can't he think of some trick to expose Sunny too? Doesn't his sister deserve some of his time and brain cells?

Originally posted by: Jiarao

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Raghav thought of taking up disguise and living in D house to save pallavi and her family. Why can't he think of some trick to expose Sunny too? Doesn't his sister deserve some of his time and brain cells?

Since Amma and Keerti moved in, when did we ever see Raghav spend some simple sibling time with Keerti? NEVER, even though he loves her to bits and longed to have her back in his life. Their 'conversations' are full of tension and conflict, if not outright fights and slaps. Raghav keeps asking her to be polite but what kind of example has he set as an older brother? She really loves him deep down but all of that has become lost in her actions and I see Raghav digging a bigger hole for himself. If something bad happens to her or if he's unable to save her, he will never be able to forgive himself. It would destroy him.

I know some viewers have written her off since she's gone from gray to negative and don't think she's worth investing time in but knowing Raghav and Amma, they won't just let her fall further. The problem is that they don't have patience with her and have burned too many bridges. She also resents Raghav even more after he reconciled with Amma because she sees it as him taking away her only family/ally, especially when Amma sides with Raghav. Amma fueled her anger and resentment towards Raghav all these years and now she changed sides.

Some viewers might feel that she doesn't deserve any efforts by her family to help her get back on track so why would Raghav bother? I don't know why Raghav isn't investigating Sunny's background thoroughly to find evidence but I have a feeling Sunny doesn't have much of a record if any that would show him in bad light. No one can prove that he's a gold digger, unless he's duped other women before. If Keerti is his first or at least first major lottery ticket then the Raos won't be able to see his duplicity or prove it until he actually acts upon his plans. You cannot convict someone based on what you suspect their intent is.

This is why I feel Raghav and Amma are focusing on the wrong place. They need to sort Sunny out too in parallel while trying to get Keerti to open her eyes. Marrying her off forcefully would ruin her life and her potential husband's too. This is not acceptable. They don't treat her as an adult, she does immature things, they get angry, and the vicious cycle of abuse continues. If someone like Raghav can be redeemed - and I'm sure he's done a lot of bad things over the years - then Keerti isn't hard to bring back from the dark side. They need tact, patience, and a proper game plan. Raghav asks her to respect him but he shows no respect for her feelings and thoughts. Even before Sunny came on the show, remember how he treated Akash for no reason? There's a pattern there of Raghav being overbearing and not caring about Keerti's feelings. Now it's just gone to a whole other level on both sides with a civil war happening in the Rao family.

Ironically, while Amma and Raghav are helping Pallavi get wings/soar in the sky (which is totally fine and props to them for being so committed to her), they have been clipping Keerti's and putting her in a cage (now literally). These parallels aren't coincidental. The writing is quite deliberate here.

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stops hating herself for loving him, she won't be able to understand him.

I didn't felt that she ever hated herself for loving him because she might have shown some concern on him as fellow human being before she turned evil but she didn't love him as a brother and one major reason is Amma herself.

Also i cannot compare both wrong doings done by Raghav and Keerthi to each other on the same weigh. He might have tried to bribe Sunny or tried to stop Keerthi to be with sunny but unlike Keerthi he never got involved with wrong ways to malign Sunny image just how they tried to do with Pallavi. No matter if the drug was supposed to be for Pallavi or Keerthi, she was a witness for that and she didn't once tries to stop it or condemn the act.

I am Not blindly supporting Raghav but she doesn't deserve RR as brother who was ready to go for jail on her behalf and I don't know what else he could have done to be called as a good and caring brother? May be getting her married to Sunny might give him the title?? Personally I don't feel he need to make any more amendments from his side. All he can do is do nothing and let the time take it's course of action

Originally posted by: inlieu

Since Amma and Keerti moved in, when was did we ever see Raghav spend some simple sibling time with Keerti? NEVER, even though he loves her to bits and longed to have her back in his life. Their 'conversations' are full of tension and conflict, if not outright fights and slaps. Raghav keeps asking her to be polite but what kind of example has he set as an older brother? She really loves him deep down but all of that has become lost in her actions and I see Raghav digging a bigger hole for himself. If something bad happens to her or if he's unable to save her, he will never be able to forgive himself. It would destroy him.

I know some viewers have written her off since she's gone from gray to negative and don't think she's worth investing time in but knowing Raghav and Amma, they won't just let her fall further. The problem is that they don't have patience with her and have burned too many bridges. She also resents Raghav even more after he reconciled with Amma because she sees it as him taking away her only family/ally, especially when Amma sides with Raghav. Amma fueled her anger and resentment towards Raghav all these years and now she changed sides.

Some viewers might feel that she doesn't deserve any efforts by her family to help her get back on track so why would Raghav bother? I don't know why Raghav isn't investigating Sunny's background thoroughly to find evidence but I have a feeling Sunny doesn't have much of a record if any that would show him in bad light. No one can prove that he's a gold digger, unless he's duped other women before. If Keerti is his first or at least first major lottery ticket then the Raos won't be able to see his duplicity or prove it until he actually acts upon his plans. You cannot convict someone based on what you suspect their intent is.

This is why I feel Raghav and Amma are focusing on the wrong place. They need to sort Sunny out too in parallel while trying to get Keerti to open her eyes. Marrying her off forcefully would ruin her life and her potential husband's too. This is not acceptable. They don't treat her as an adult, she does immature things, they get angry, and the vicious cycle of abuse continues. If someone like Raghav can be redeemed - and I'm sure he's done a lot of bad things over the years - then Keerti isn't hard to bring back from the dark side. They need tact, patience, and a proper game plan. Raghav asks her to respect him but he shows no repect for her feelings and thoughts. Even before Sunny came on the show, remember how he treated Akash for no reason? There's a pattern there of Raghav being overbearing and not caring about Keerti's feelings. Now it's just gone to a whole other level on both sides with a civil war happening in the Rao family.

Ironically, while Amma and Raghav are helping Pallavi get wings/soar in the sky (which is totally fine and props to them for being so committed to her), they have been clipping Keerti's and putting her in a cage (now literally). These parallels aren't coincidental. The writing is quite deliberate here.

@RED: They don't have it for Keerti. Its only reserved for Pallavi and even to Deshmukhs. Time toh bilkul nahi hai uske liye.

@blue: I am hoping against hope they bring it up in the show and make keerti question them on their double standards.

Originally posted by: subbuappu

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stops hating herself for loving him, she won't be able to understand him.

I didn't felt that she ever hated herself for loving him because she might have shown some concern on him as fellow human being before she turned evil but she didn't love him as a brother and one major reason is Amma herself.

Also i cannot compare both wrong doings done by Raghav and Keerthi to each other on the same weigh. He might have tried to bribe Sunny or tried to stop Keerthi to be with sunny but unlike Keerthi he never got involved with wrong ways to malign Sunny image just how they tried to do with Pallavi. No matter if the drug was supposed to be for Pallavi or Keerthi, she was a witness for that and she didn't once tries to stop it or condemn the act.

I am Not blindly supporting Raghav but she doesn't deserve RR as brother who was ready to go for jail on her behalf and I don't know what else he could have done to be called as a good and caring brother? May be getting her married to Sunny might give him the title?? Personally I don't feel he need to make any more amendments from his side. All he can do is do nothing and let the time take it's course of action

See, at this point Amma and Raghav can either let her be and step back while she learns things the hard way or they can actively try to save her. They are now choosing the second option but their approach is wrong.

I didn't say that Keerti's wrongs are the same as Raghav's. They are at different levels and under different circumstances. She has crossed completely into the dark side and I have no idea if they are going to redeem her at all or if she will just keep doing worse things until she gets her brother (nearly) killed. However, even before Mandaar came into the picture, Raghav never dealt with her properly. He ended up driving her away because he shut out her voice, he yelled at her, slapped her when she tried to elope, tried to bribe Sunny, after tapping his phone, etc. I get it, that was his way of trying to stop her from going with Sunny because he didn't think the guy was worthy of his sister. Also, remember what Raghav did to Akash, who was innocent? That was totally uncalled for and unacceptable. He just doesn't want any guy near her, so Keerti's initial reaction was that her brother was being overprotective and overreacting to Sunny.

I have been feeling for a while that Keerti hates the whole situation she's in but mostly she hates herself for being unable to to detach from Raghav completely and for loving him deep down. It's in conflict with her thoughts. Amma was in her situation too until the Hyderabad track but perhaps it's easier for a mother to move on because of her mamta? I don't know... Amma wronged Raghav big time but he never expected anything from her other than to be part of his life again. He tolerated all her harshness and cold behavior, the lonely life of 10 years but never stopped wanting to reunite with her. His love for her never changed a bit and neither did his love for Keerti, who he still somehow sees as that kid he separated from 10 years ago.

With Keerti, he knows she's been messing up since the accident (back then he thought she had done it) but even then he covered it up without her knowledge and protected her from going to jail. She got away with a lot of things over the years, which is why she believed he would do anything to stop her going to jail this time too. When it comes to family the word 'deserve' doesn't always apply, not in Raghav's case. He will not stop trying to protect her, he cannot take additional burdens on top of the ones he carries for his brother and father's deaths. I know many people want him to ignore her but I don't see that happening. He will try until his last breath to bring her back on track but he has to change his game plan if he wants to succeed.

Being a good brother doesn't mean giving in to her whims or unreasonable demands, which is what he did when he agreed to marry her off to Sunny in the Hyderabad track or to go to jail for her in the accident track. Being a good brother means doing what's right for her as he promised her on rakhi day, but I will add here also doing things the right way. Locking up his sister, slapping her, and being emotionally abusive doesn't make him a good brother. Since he's the ML I am holding him to this standard because she's family. If she were an outsider, we wouldn't even care if he didn't bother with her at all.

It's not clear to me if Raghav wants to continue doing just his duty as her brother to protect her, or if he actually wants a warm loving sibling relationship with her. I used to think it's both and if that's still the case, he needs to make amends for bulldozing over her feelings over the years and alienating her, otherwise the bond won't form. Because even if he gets Sunny out of her life and she redeems herself, it doesn't guarantee that she will welcome Raghav in her life and respect him as her elder brother. Keerti doesn't seem to want to or be capable of taking a proactive step towards him to reconcile. He will have to be the one to do it. She has to trust him and feel at ease to share her thoughts and he needs to learn to listen. If she genuinely felt she had his support, she would have found it easier to heed his warnings about Sunny. In fact, she may not have needed an exit strategy like Sunny in her life who emotionally manipulated her by poisoning her mind against Raghav.

Originally posted by: inlieu

See, at this point Amma and Raghav can either let her be and step back while she learns things the hard way or they can actively try to save her. They are now choosing the second option but their approach is wrong.

I didn't say that Keerti's wrongs are the same as Raghav's. They are at different levels and under different circumstances. She has crossed completely into the dark side and I have no idea if they are going to redeem her at all or if she will just keep doing worse things until she gets her brother (nearly) killed. However, even before Mandaar came into the picture, Raghav never deal with her properly. He ended up driving her away because he shut out her voice, he yelled at her, slapped her when she tried to elope, tried to bribe Sunny, after tapping his phone, etc. I get it, that was his way of trying to stop her from going with Sunny because he didn't think the guy was worth of his sister. Also, remember what Raghav did to Akash, who was innocent? That was totally uncalled for and unacceptable. He just doesn't want any guy near her, so Keerti's initial reaction was that her brother was being overprotective and overreacting to Sunny.

I have been feeling for a while that Keerti hates the whole situation she's in but mostly she hates herself for being unable to to detach from Raghav completely and for loving him deep down. It's in conflict with her thoughts. Amma was in her situation too until the Hyderabad track but perhaps it's easier for a mother to move on because of her mamta? I don't know... Amma wronged Raghav big time but he never expected anything from her other than to be part of his life again. He tolerated all her harshness and cold behavior, the lonely life of 10 years but never stopped wanting to reunite with her. His love for her never changed a bit and neither did his love for Keerti, who he still somehow sees as that kid he separated from 10 years ago.

With Keerti, he knows she's been messing up since the accident (back then he thought she had done it) but even then he covered it up without her knowledge and protected her from going to jail. She got away with a lot of things over the years, which is why she believed he would do anything to stop her going to jail this time too. When it comes to family the word 'deserve' doesn't always apply, not in Raghav's case. He will not stop trying to protect her, he cannot take additional burden on top of the ones he carries for his brother and father's deaths. I know many people want him to ignore her but I don't see that happening. He will try until his last breath to bring her back on track but he has to change his game plan if he wants to succeed.

Being a good brother doesn't mean giving in to her whims or unreasonable demands, which is what he did when he agreed to marry her off to Sunny in the Hyderabad track or to go to jail for her in the accident track. Being a good brother means doing what's right for her as he promised her on rakhi day, but I will add here also doing things the right way. Locking up your sister, slapping her, and being emotionally abusive doesn't make him a good brother. Since he's the ML I am holding him to this standard because she's family. If she were an outsider, we wouldn't even care if he didn't bother with her at all.

It's not clear to me if Raghav wants to continue doing just his duty as her brother to protect her, or if he actually wants a warm loving sibling relationship with her. I used to think it's both and if that's still the case, he needs to make amends for bulldozing over her feelings over the years and alienating otherwise the bond won't form. Because even if he gets Sunny out of her life and she redeems herself, it doesn't guarantee that she will welcome Raghav in her life and respect him as her elder brother. Keerti doesn't seem to want to or be capable of taking a proactive step towards him to reconcile. He will have to be the one to do it. She has to trust him and feel at ease to share her thoughts and he needs to learn to listen. If she genuinely felt she had his support, she would have found it easier to heed his warnings about Sunny. In fact, she may not have needed an exit strategy like Sunny in her life who emotionally manipulated her by poisoning her mind against Raghav.

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