Heartbreaking. - Page 10

Originally posted by: laksh

I agree with everything you have said. Virat knows how Sai likes simple things and he loves it about her. All these celebration, tham jam is not going to help in anyway, he is not doing whatever is needed to save his relationship. Only thing that could make Sai realise what he feels for her is him clarifying about his past to Sai and also stand up against or confront Pakhi whenever she talks ill about Sai or whenever she accuses him that he has cheated her or whenever she tells that Sai has come in between them. Only when she can see him denying all claims of Pakhi can she even see that they don’t have anything between them. Only when Sai is reassured that there is nothing between him and Pakhi, that he doesn’t have any feelings for Pakhi, that he is not trying to act like an husband to Sai because they got married or out of obligation, will Sai be able to understand that she means something to him, he wants to give a chance to their relationship. Sai is not one who values materialistic things and this party is not going to make her feel their journey of togetherness. The moment when Virat showed her the photos, claiming that it was them together, Sai’s cluelessness, her hurt, her confusion said it all. They were together but she never was a part of it, she never even let her to be a part of it as per his expectations to not have expectations from him. It looked as though he was rubbing salt on her wounds because what he is claiming to be their journey of togetherness, she was living under an impression that he was fulfilling his responsibility, he has some other commitment, she was told that he cannot be her husband and she cannot be his wife. In that journey, she had only tried to ensure that she sticks to her end of the deal and the whole journey was painful to her because it would have taken a lot of courage and determination to not waiver, to not consider or look at their marriage as a real one, to not develop any expectations from him, to not fall for him, she had chided herself, brushed aside any kind of feelings that developed within her. She used to ask herself if she had started to like him and would not even let herself to think any further in those lines. Time and again she was made to feel as if she had come in between him and his love either by him in the initial days of their journey or by Pakhi till today which Virat fails to condemn or correct.

He wants to celebrate the journey because he had let himself to be a part of that journey, he could allow himself to have feelings for her and to also have expectations from her but she was told that this was all a sham at the beginning of the journey, she was told that he cannot give a place to her in his heart or life, had asked her not to have expectations from him as a wife and hence she never let herself to be a part of that same journey, never allowed herself to have any feelings for him or have any expectations from him. The whole journey was painful for her and he wanted to celebrate that. His story at the lovers point and his silence when the yoga instructor spoke about Pakhi wounded her just in the morning and she was expected to celebrate wedding anniversary which was made a deal by him and not her.

@bold 👏👏

And going through what this journey entails... I dont think she would even want him to confess his love..Just the part where he mentioned he is in love with someone else has to be revoked..

You know jsut while listening to her 5 year thing I was thinking what would Sai think Virat and Pakhi's plan was ..She does not even have any clue about their relationship.. When next instant Pakhi comes and tells her of snatching away her love using her beauty , how would she be able to answer her if she does not know what was that relationship between the two..?

I think virat feels like if he never brings up pp or recalls/clarifies about pp that chapter eilo get deleted but sadly for the chapter to be deleted he needs to tell his wife everything from A to Z. Sunny knows everything but Sai doesn't....

Virat wants Sai to realize that he wouldn't do so much for her including plead her to no leave ONLY out of zimmedari.

But Sai is stuck on the fact that he wouldn't make a promise of never allowing a woman into his life/heart and tell her not to have expectations fr him if he ONLY had a crush on pp.....to her he has already loved someone n thats final. So no matter what the outcome he has already loved , he cant love again.

So i understand both their povs.

But i feel the onus is on virat- instead of denying, making light, brushing aside, hoping to forget the past, he needs to explain it all to Sai. He needs to confront n speak about it rather than trying to brush it away.

Explain that vaada was out of love for samrat, not pp. It was a bad choice of words in a desperate time. That there was NO love, only infatuation with pp. He told pp once- that they never even had a relationship, thats why virat never "fought" for her in the first place...he liked her but nothing came of it, he moved on now. But Sai does not understand it like that. Sai doesn't know anything. All she knows is that they were these "love birds" that have had a tragic separation n unrequited love. She just wants to get herself out from being in between. What they do afterwards with their messy situation, given that pp is his vahini is their lookout ....

I think at many points because pp is married to samrat, Sai has tried to gauge if she is ready to move on but she has seen that she is obsessed with virat....

So she just wants to not be in the middle of it.

But she battles her heart because the easiest thing would be to just leave....go to hostel. But she falls weak. She cant leave virat or CN coz they have all become her family. She did what she didnt want to- get attached to them.

Originally posted by: Nja91

I think virat feels like if he never brings up pp or recalls/clarifies about pp that chapter eilo get deleted but sadly for the chapter to be deleted he needs to tell his wife everything from A to Z. Sunny knows everything but Sai doesn't....

Virat wants Sai to realize that he wouldn't do so much for her including plead her to no leave ONLY out of zimmedari.

But Sai is stuck on the fact that he wouldn't make a promise of never allowing a woman into his life/heart and tell her not to have expectations fr him if he ONLY had a crush on pp.....to her he has already loved someone n thats final. So no matter what the outcome he has already loved , he cant love again.

So i understand both their povs.

But i feel the onus is on virat- instead of denying, making light, brushing aside, hoping to forget the past, he needs to explain it all to Sai. He needs to confront n speak about it rather than trying to brush it away.

Explain that vaada was out of love for samrat, not pp. It was a bad choice of words in a desperate time. That there was NO love, only infatuation with pp. He told pp once- that they never even had a relationship, thats why virat never "fought" for her in the first place...he liked her but nothing came of it, he moved on now. But Sai does not understand it like that. Sai doesn't know anything. All she knows is that they were these "love birds" that have had a tragic separation n unrequited love. She just wants to get herself out from being in between. What they do afterwards with their messy situation, given that pp is his vahini is their lookout ....

I think at many points because pp is married to samrat, Sai has tried to gauge if she is ready to move on but she has seen that she is obsessed with virat....

So she just wants to not be in the middle of it.

But she battles her heart because the easiest thing would be to just leave....go to hostel. But she falls weak. She cant leave virat or CN coz they have all become her family. She did what she didnt want to- get attached to them.

In Virat she finds her family and now to some extent CN as well.. That way she has no family no home to go back to.. 😭

Originally posted by: Nja91

I think she knows in her heart that Samrat left because of virat pp n if everything virat has told her about Samrat is true he has definitely left to let virat pp be together. She feels that virat is holding back to pp only because she is now samrats wife n because he has her responsibility....so as much as she respects the bond of marriage she also thinks love surpasses all. I dont think she intends to get virat pp married. she only wants to take herself out of the equation n let them do whatever they want for "their love".

Originally posted by: Nja91

I think virat feels like if he never brings up pp or recalls/clarifies about pp that chapter eilo get deleted but sadly for the chapter to be deleted he needs to tell his wife everything from A to Z. Sunny knows everything but Sai doesn't....

Virat wants Sai to realize that he wouldn't do so much for her including plead her to no leave ONLY out of zimmedari.

But Sai is stuck on the fact that he wouldn't make a promise of never allowing a woman into his life/heart and tell her not to have expectations fr him if he ONLY had a crush on pp.....to her he has already loved someone n thats final. So no matter what the outcome he has already loved , he cant love again.

So i understand both their povs.

But i feel the onus is on virat- instead of denying, making light, brushing aside, hoping to forget the past, he needs to explain it all to Sai. He needs to confront n speak about it rather than trying to brush it away.

Explain that vaada was out of love for samrat, not pp. It was a bad choice of words in a desperate time. That there was NO love, only infatuation with pp. He told pp once- that they never even had a relationship, thats why virat never "fought" for her in the first place...he liked her but nothing came of it, he moved on now. But Sai does not understand it like that. Sai doesn't know anything. All she knows is that they were these "love birds" that have had a tragic separation n unrequited love. She just wants to get herself out from being in between. What they do afterwards with their messy situation, given that pp is his vahini is their lookout ....

I think at many points because pp is married to samrat, Sai has tried to gauge if she is ready to move on but she has seen that she is obsessed with virat....

So she just wants to not be in the middle of it.

But she battles her heart because the easiest thing would be to just leave....go to hostel. But she falls weak. She cant leave virat or CN coz they have all become her family. She did what she didnt want to- get attached to them.

Yes, the onus is on him to clear all the confusion, to reassure her of her place in his life.

I actually wanted to know what did Sai perceive Virat’s request of asking her to stay back in the house as. He had even said “hospital mein zindagi aur maut is beech mein jhool rahi thi aur mujhe aisa lag raha tha jaise meri saansein tham rahi hai”.

This was a very big thing to say, it said so much. Sai is selfless and does that mean that she understood these words as him being such a nice person that he felt that way? It could also be that she thought that his guilt made him feel that way. But, I wish she had given these words a thought. The problem is that she doesn’t want to give it a thought at all because that would only lead to more confusion, would make her hope for things that need not be even true. His words impacts her, even when he spoke this sentence, she looked at him, tried to read him, felt bad and emotional. But I think he spoke about Kamal giving her responsibility to him while looking at Kamal’s photo. All these can be confusing and to a person who thinks that she is only his responsibility, such words when spoken often only would be confirming her thoughts.

As much as he does things which a husband would do for their wife, he also is a person who would do it to make her happy. Even on the day of her birthday, she felt that he did for an orphan, that’s because he did the same right after their marriage, when he was close to Pakhi, when he had said that she shouldn’t have issues even if he has feelings for Pakhi, when he said that he regrets to have gone go GC and got married, he had even then celebrated the day she got her results, he had got her balloons and candy floss even then. She used to ponder when Ashwini or Shivani used to tell her that she shouldn’t think of leaving the house and her marriage is real. She had thought of the Naag nadi trip at the cafe with Shivani, thought if she has started to have feelings for Virat the day she applied Alta on her feet looking at the mirror, the night when she was missing and waiting for Virat to return home when he was with Samrat at the hospital. She even felt happy right after they returned from the naag nadi outing, was thinking about the time they spent together, thought about what he told Pakhi that people related to him would live with him in the house. But all those were put to an end every time due to something or the other. The Ladakh trip, the ousting, the pool scene made it worse and she stopped thinking anything after those incidents. She didn’t even want to think or try to understand his words or make meanings out of his gestures. Him being nice and generous became a very normal and regular thing. He had fought for Pakhi with her during the ousting too. It hurt her that he didn’t believe her and was ready to end everything based on other's words. I believe that everything that he did or spoke after she returned home looked out of guilt for her. She also is not able to believe a few things. It is too hard for her to believe when he stays quiet many a times when Pakhi claims him to be hers, when Pakhi assets her rights on him, when she accuses him to be moving on. It looks to her as though he is compromising, accepting the fate that they are married and fulfilling his duty as a husband. It looks as though he is trying to move on forcefully because they are married and not out of love. She feels that when a person said that he was committed to someone else and when that person also reminds him in front of her every time about the same commitment, he is just trying to respect their marriage, trying not to hurt Sai and is compromising. She feels that his inner self, his heart is crying for his defeated love and he is trying to move on, trying to make Sai happy, trying to act like a dutiful husband, resigning to fate.

He made a big blunder by saying relationship like ours which is bound by responsibility when she asked him why else would that girl accompany his friend to the lovers point. He said that there can be relationships without love too, like theirs and every time he says that, she gets hit by the reality and gets hurt. Even this time when he had said that, she was taken aback. Not that she doesn’t say the same but when they are in a flow, when she gets to hear him say that, it confirms her thoughts, confirms her assumptions that she is only her responsibility and he has no other feelings her or can have no other feelings for her. And then the yoga instructor’s words only made it worse. I wonder why didn’t Virat stop immediately when she started to talk about it. Atleast I was a little glad that after the lady left, he tried to tell Sai that it was all his past and asked her not to get bothered or hurt by it. But, that wasn’t enough, he failed to see her hurt, the reason behind her indifference saying she will go to the resort on her own right after that.

Originally posted by: asmi_joya

And going through what this journey entails... I dont think she would even want him to confess his love..Just the part where he mentioned he is in love with someone else has to be revoked..

You know jsut while listening to her 5 year thing I was thinking what would Sai think Virat and Pakhi's plan was ..She does not even have any clue about their relationship.. When next instant Pakhi comes and tells her of snatching away her love using her beauty , how would she be able to answer her if she does not know what was that relationship between the two..?

@bold true.

She needs to know about their past and Virat has to share it with her. I think he is not comfortable sharing it with her. He doesn’t want to ruin the chance or make her upset. He had come to know from Sunny that Sai gets affected when he talks with Pakhi, so he probably thinks that if that is the case, how will he be able to tell her about their past. He is worried that it would upset Sai, might be worried how she would react to it if he shared about it and hence instead of sharing his past with her, he is trying to confess his feelings for her through his words and gestures which is pleasant and which is something a person will feel nice when they hear rather than hearing unpleasant things like his past.

He just has to take a chance in this case and not fear of anything else. The chances of him losing her is more when he doesn’t open up. He just doesn’t realise that yet.

Originally posted by: nethraa_99

Virat has been very insensitive and hypocritical as far as this aspect is concerned.

He has NEVER made Sai secure wrt his past love either by his actions or words. He let Pakhi spew venom in the past and even now Pakhi shows so much haq on the husband - as if it is her right to be angry/heartbroken over his 'bewafai'. As Sai's husband, he never shuts Pakhi up nor warns her to not say such inappropriate stuff. How will Sai think of herself as his wife then?

Whenever his past has come up between them, he has never been open about it. Just a few cryptic sentences here and there or complete avoidance. Even normal married couple would need a lot of reassurance in the circumstances they are in.

I badly wanted a blow up after the Ajinkya episode - that Sai should question Virat left, right , centre on his pyaarosti with bhabhi, walking into each other's rooms without even knocking, midnight rendezvous between ex-lovers, their disconcerting familiarity with each other... unfortunately my manifestations never came true. He cannot behave however he likes in a relationship.

Ther strange thing is he of all people should be sensitive of her feelings given how insecure he gets at the mere thought of Sai's friendship with a guy.

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Pooja, rdigest, sadiltl, asmi

@bold well said. He should atleast understand now that Sai is still in that mandap with his vaada, Pakhis taunts, crying, talking about her eternal love story day in and day out reverberating in her ears 😢. Expect for a few situations he has never shut Pakhi up when she talks BS, how is she supposed to read his mind 🙄.

@bold italic- I manifested this scene and so was disappointed that makers did not call out Virats hypocrisy. It was a good time to show him the mirror 🙄 on how Sai feels each time his dost strolls into their room to start fighting.

And this disconcerting familiarity I never understood how p knows so much about Virat. For goodness sake, she didn't even know his last name or what he does. Makers really wanted to portray this as some Amar prem where as it turned out to be like a 1 night stand without s*x🤣🤣

Originally posted by: tptwi

This is spot on Nethraa. The problem is that while he has put Pakhi in her place, he has never done so in front of Sai. Had Sai witnessed the post-GC and post-accident conversations between Virat and Pakhi, perhaps the story would be different today. Again, it just all goes back to the fact that he is unable to see this marriage from Sai's POV. His heart is pure and Pakhi has no place in his life anymore... but how is Sai supposed to know that? Yes, his actions show his love for Sai and she has also seen him defending her against Pakhi time and time again... but that is clearly not enough. Even the tamasha outside of their room after the ring gifting could have been avoided if he had just shut her up the minute she opened her vile mouth. I get that he avoids confrontation and is just over Pakhi's antics at this point, but it needs to register within his mind how all of this is impacting Sai.... he truly is blinded in his own love for Sai and unable to see anything past that... I wrote this in my original response in this thread, but a person's first love is all-consuming and overpowering. His emotions are so raw right now that he is too preoccupied dealing with them for him to be able to think of things from Sai's perspective, because to him the other truth is that she is the one in his heart and Pakhi can go to hell for all he cares. People say that when you are in love, you notice even the slightest things about the other person, etc., etc.... but this only happens once you have truly understood the person and learned to look outside of your own emotions. This is just the beginning stage for Virat. Realizing you love someone is only the first step....

@red Both Sai and Virat are preoccupied and so focused on their feelings that they fail to see the other's feelings or perspectives. I totally get that. I also agree that falling in love is just the first step and they need to go a long way in understanding each other's perspectives and putting each other before themselves. I will even say that they are allowed to be selfish in their love...

But there is a reason I called him a hypocrite.

Virat has serious problems with conflict and setting boundaries - it is because of this weakness that Pakhi walks all over them. He thinks too much about Samrat and Pakhi's tantrums etc and fails to see its affect on Sai. I'll excuse him this mistake for now - even though it will have repercussions in his marriage which he will have to face.

He only talks in jalebis when Sai confronts him about his past. But that again is a result of his inability to talk directly and his preoccupation with his own feelings. I don't really understand this all the time...but again I'll accept it for argument's sake.

In both these cases, he is being insensitive to Sai.... but then we agree that he is not yet there - where he understands and is considerate to Sai's feelings.

But what about when he lets Pakhi into their room? When he goes to Pakhi's room? When he meets Pakhi alone? When he applies ice on Pakhi's hands? When he allows Pakhi to touch him and he touches Pakhi? In all these instances, neither are his feelings involved nor is there a fear of conflict.

He expects fidelity from Sai - to the point that he gets angry when Sai refuses to drop out of fresher's program. Even Sai is preoccupied with her feelings but she takes care to maintain distance with her colleagues and also to clear her stand about her friendship with Aniket and Ajinkya to Virat. My point is when he expects so much from Sai - why doesn't he extend the same courtesy to her? Maintaining distance with Pakhi is something that is not too hard to do - even for Virat. Why doesn't he do it - he doesn't even realise that his actions are wrong. That's where I see his hypocrisy. This callousness continues to this day - holding Pakhi's hand during Harinee birthday or at the dining table. This is what I say is double standards - because it is not coming out of his weakness or a preoccupation with his emotions. It is coming out of entitlement.

Originally posted by: laksh

@bold true.

She needs to know about their past and Virat has to share it with her. I think he is not comfortable sharing it with her. He doesn’t want to ruin the chance or make her upset. He had come to know from Sunny that Sai gets affected when he talks with Pakhi, so he probably thinks that if that is the case, how will he be able to tell her about their past. He is worried that it would upset Sai, might be worried how she would react to it if he shared about it and hence instead of sharing his past with her, he is trying to confess his feelings for her through his words and gestures which is pleasant and which is something a person will feel nice when they hear rather than hearing unpleasant things like his past.

He just has to take a chance in this case and not fear of anything else. The chances of him losing her is more when he doesn’t open up. He just doesn’t realise that yet.

@bold there's was not even a past story really to narrate. He can actually tell what exactly the silly yoga girl said and that sunny baba told him he was in love🤣 and they never spoke until the wedding. 2 minutes the story will finish and we can see Sai rolling on the floor 😂. Seriously if not Virat I want sunny to reveal their 2 hour story which Didi makes it look like Janam Janam kaa rishta waala Amar prem kahani. Atleast she will understand Didi is dilusional 🙄.

@italic word. He needs to man up. If he had the courage to spew all that BS during the wedding he needs the same courage to clear up the mess he created.

Originally posted by: nethraa_99

@red Both Sai and Virat are preoccupied and so focused on their feelings that they fail to see the other's feelings or perspectives. I totally get that. I also agree that falling in love is just the first step and they need to go a long way in understanding each other's perspectives and putting each other before themselves. I will even say that they are allowed to be selfish in their love...

But there is a reason I called him a hypocrite.

Virat has serious problems with conflict and setting boundaries - it is because of this weakness that Pakhi walks all over them. He thinks too much about Samrat and Pakhi's tantrums etc and fails to see its affect on Sai. I'll excuse him this mistake for now - even though it will have repercussions in his marriage which he will have to face.

He only talks in jalebis when Sai confronts him about his past. But that again is a result of his inability to talk directly and his preoccupation with his own feelings. I don't really understand this all the time...but again I'll accept it for argument's sake.

In both these cases, he is being insensitive to Sai.... but then we agree that he is not yet there - where he understands and is considerate to Sai's feelings.

But what about when he lets Pakhi into their room? When he goes to Pakhi's room? When he meets Pakhi alone? When he applies ice on Pakhi's hands? When he allows Pakhi to touch him and he touches Pakhi? In all these instances, neither are his feelings involved nor is there a fear of conflict.

He expects fidelity from Sai - to the point that he gets angry when Sai refuses to drop out of fresher's program. Even Sai is preoccupied with her feelings but she takes care to maintain distance with her colleagues and also to clear her stand about her friendship with Aniket and Ajinkya to Virat. My point is when he expects so much from Sai - why doesn't he extend the same courtesy to her? Maintaining distance with Pakhi is something that is not too hard to do - even for Virat. Why doesn't he do it - he doesn't even realise that his actions are wrong. That's where I see his hypocrisy. This callousness continues to this day - holding Pakhi's hand during Harinee birthday or at the dining table. This is what I say is double standards - because it is not coming out of his weakness or a preoccupation with his emotions. It is coming out of entitlement.

@bold all this after Pakhi clearly told him multiple times she feels more for him than a friend and wants the same in return. Anyone in Virats place would stay miles away from her after her shameless mere pyaar breakdown in his room 🙄. Not to forget how she was boasting about participating in the skit for Virat and no one else since he is special to her. I still recall sais painfully uncomfortable look she gave Virat 😢