Episode spoiler - 17 June 2021 - Page 13

Originally posted by: aye-masakalii

I'm glad Pallavi was just sleeping today. She deserved that. I wish Raghav had also gone off and taken a nap today. So much upheaval in the last 12-24 hours- opening up to Pallavi, threatening Sunny, blow up with Kirti, argument with Pallavi, Deshmukh drama, Pallavi's heavy-duty statement- and now the conversation with Jaya, uff. What a rollercoaster. Let him breathe, bechara. And aaj bhi nahi soyega, he'll be busy dreading Pallavi leaving.

@red- what a great way to describe her

Vijay came on screen, and I instantly cringed- I thought we'd get a break from him for a bit, but then I loved how that scene played out. Initially, when he was introspecting, I thought Pallavi's words went through, but nah, guess he was just stewing over how dare Mandaar's vidhwa speak to him like that 😡

I think, with limited successes in life, one of the things he stakes his pride on is being the head of the family. That authority being challenged is unbearable for him, be it by Raghav, Pallavi, Milind or Sharda. His threats and punishments are also according to this position- kicking Pallavi out, commanding Sharda not to look for her, threatening to throw out Sulochana today, his constant 'mera ghar' chant.

God, I took some sadistic joy in watching the Deshmukhs come for each other in that scene too, As family dynamics are improving in the Rao household, this whole 'happy family' facade is falling apart.

You are absolutely right about Sanki. Being the patriarch of the family he wants everyone to follow the status quo hence the complete dismissal of Sharda and Milind all the time. I was multitasking yesterday so didnt quite hear what he was saying.. So he still considers Pallavi as Mandhar's widow not Raghav's wife? He is such a regressive and obstinate guy. Even if in his heart he knows that Raghav is not like he used to be anymore, or he may have been unfair to him, the fact that his ghar ki bahu dared to challenge his ways and showed him a mirror infront of everyone, has bruised his ego so bad that he is gonna stand his ground no matter how flimsy it is..This man has yet to hit rock bottom.. when Sulochana kicks him out and Manasi insults him day in and day out.. when Milind and Sharda look away from him, maybe then he will know the value of people he has been hurting..

Yes I loved how he calmed her down..Its a surprise these people don't have a mental breakdown from all drama they have to put up with! lol I am glad that she didn't regret her actions, or the harsh words she used for her family, baba in particular. The BTS pic I had seen where she looked all distraught, had me confused and I thought that she is upset because she lost her family forever in a way.. but this outburst and open denouncement of her family was not an impulsive reaction to Raghav's humiliation alone.. It may have acted as the trigger but this was long overdue.. She may never have said it out loud but Vijay's unjust ways, his mistrust on her, the fact that he has been so ungrateful for everything she did for the family, for being so unforgiving and relentless in his ways of punishing her for no intentional fault of hers, has left her completely disillusioned..

Originally posted by: MistyDawn

Agree.. Keerthi doesnt trust Pallavi to believe what she has to say about Raghav. Because of how this Sunny matter turned out, she sees her as a snitch who has given in to Raghav's charisma, money, his version of pity story.. something, that has now changed Pallavi who she cannot identify with.. She won't trust Amma either.. she has become the weak link in Rao family that can be potentially exploited to harm Raghav and Pallavi by an outside force, Ved in all probability.

i think Kirti is going to feel betrayed when she sees that Amma has forgiven Raghav. The blame is naturally going to fall on Pallavi & Raghav and her rebellion attitude is going to aggravate and on top of it if Sunny is going to play a game of faking his death, it’s sone pe suhana for Lion to take full advantage of her in this weak moment. I really hope Farhad gets a role in this track. His screen space has been so less lately.

Originally posted by: MistyDawn

Within a span of few hours, wiife tells him that he is her priority and that she chooses him over her family and Amma asks for his forgiveness with folded hands, absolves him of all the guilt he had for being the one responsible for his naana's and brother's killing..She embraces him and kisses him, calls him "Mera beta, mera Raghav" ....

I mean "itni khushiyan, itne jazbaat, kese samete insaan apne dil mein"

Pallavi.....this girl is paras mani , jise chhuye use sona bana de.

What a loss and what a fall from grace(if ever there was any) for Vijay Deshmukh.. Now he is surrounded by leeches like Sulochana and Manasi.. Even if his subconscious forces him to reflect on Pallavi's words, his ego will stiffle it and any other voice of reason that tries to show him the error of his ways, be it Milind or Sharda.

So true. It’s like Aayi said, jab se Pallavi gayi hai,uss ghar ki khushiyaan chali gayi. I sometimes feel Sanki will realise her worth only when he gets thrown out of the house by Sulo. Kaka doesn’t have any voice there anyways and now Mansi also seems to standing against Sanki.

Originally posted by: Diya2021

i think Kirti is going to feel betrayed when she sees that Amma has forgiven Raghav. The blame is naturally going to fall on Pallavi & Raghav and her rebellion attitude is going to aggravate and on top of it if Sunny is going to play a game of faking his death, it’s sone pe suhana for Lion to take full advantage of her in this weak moment. I really hope Farhad gets a role in this track. His screen space has been so less lately.

Yes I agree. Keerthi and Sunny's track has not been compelling at all.. lack of chemistry could be a reason and their completely different ideas about the institution of marriage and the sanctity of it, make them a complete mismatch. That works if it is applied on the leads of the show because then the makers invest time on giving a proper background and building their track. That not being the case here, makes one think what does Keerthi even see in this guy? Now with the recent stunt he has pulled with the whole suicide blackmail thing, has made me somewhat dislike him. He doesn't give the impression of a guy who can give her a stable, decent and respectable life.. rather as someone who is totally capable of abandoning her the minute things get even a lil bit tough or ugly, or not according to his way. Keerthi will forever have to adjust, compromise and comply to his wishes.. that's what I think of Sunny as a character. Yes I hope Farhad gets to play a role in this track. I have been missing him too..

Originally posted by: MistyDawn

You are absolutely right about Sanki. Being the patriarch of the family he wants everyone to follow the status quo hence the complete dismissal of Sharda and Milind all the time. I was multitasking yesterday so didnt quite hear what he was saying.. So he still considers Pallavi as Mandhar's widow not Raghav's wife? He is such a regressive and obstinate guy. Even if in his heart he knows that Raghav is not like he used to be anymore, or he may have been unfair to him, the fact that his ghar ki bahu dared to challenge his ways and showed him a mirror infront of everyone, has bruised his ego so bad that he is gonna stand his ground no matter how flimsy it is..This man has yet to hit rock bottom.. when Sulochana kicks him out and Manasi insults him day in and day out.. when Milind and Sharda look away from him, maybe then he will know the value of people he has been hurting..

Yes I loved how he calmed her down..Its a surprise these people don't have a mental breakdown from all drama they have to put up with! lol I am glad that she didn't regret her actions, or the harsh words she used for her family, baba in particular. The BTS pic I had seen where she looked all distraught, had me confused and I thought that she is upset because she lost her family forever in a way.. but this outburst and open denouncement of her family was not an impulsive reaction to Raghav's humiliation alone.. It may have acted as the trigger but this was long overdue.. She may never have said it out loud but Vijay's unjust ways, his mistrust on her, the fact that he has been so ungrateful for everything she did for the family, for being so unforgiving and relentless in his ways of punishing her for no intentional fault of hers, has left her completely disillusioned..

@bold- yeah, it came through quite explicitly today. Milind came to speak to him about Pallavi, and he responded with 'Kaun Pallavi? Mere Mandaar ki vidhwa? Mandaar ke saath woh rishta bhi khatam ho gaya'. So, Mandaar died two years ago. If his rishta with Pallavi also ended then, do saal se kya naatak chal raha hai? It makes Sharda's affections for her all the more clear- Sharda was pissed off at her, but always with the haq of a mother. She never said Pallavi was her bahu or son's vidhwa, even in anger. And Sharda and Milind's constant claims that Raghav is the damaad of the family tells us they truly think she's a daughter. Vijay ne usse kabhi beti hi nahi maana, toh Raghav ko damaad kahaan se maan lega?

His label of Mandaar's widow felt extremely offensive and insensitive to me, considering she's a married woman. One could make a case (though I doubt anyone is making cases for Vijay) that he spoke those words in anger, but my sense was that he said words he'd always felt but always censored. His actions in this show have made me so suspicious about one thing I had loved about him in the first week of episodes- unlike Sharda, he wasn't pushing her to get married when she clearly didn't want to. But now I think he always had ulterior motives- he wanted to keep seeing her as Mandaar's widow, keep his sense of mahaanta in the community (probably another source of pride, along with his position as the patriarch), and have Pallavi work off her debt for his greatness for the rest of her life. She's thrown a wrench in those plans.

@red- I want to see his fall from grace too, but abhi nahi please 😅thoda sa break from his sanak. I want Mandaar to stay dead please, but if he does rise, I want Vijay to be the reason for his disappearance. Will be such a good slap in the face. Ya Sharda and Milind se something of the level of the mangalsutra-ditching-bluff-calling night.

I thought she'll be freaking out, after the moment is over, about what lines she crossed, and badon ki izzat karna, etc etc. I'm glad she's standing firm. This girl has no qualms standing up for what's right, irrespective of how that might personally effect her. She's always been strong in that regard- it's what allowed her to fearlessly go up against one of Hyderabad's most powerful men again and again- conviction and gumption. Good to know that didn't falter even in the face of her love for her family. I do feel so, so bad for her though. To see your father fall like this in your own eyes would be heartbreaking 💔😭

Originally posted by: Ubiquitos

I know what you mean, but to me it felt like she was speaking what was on my mind, so I was very happy. 😆 The crux of this was, Pallavi is an individual identity, and she understands how she is as a person. That itself was a big thing for me, in this show. She has forgiven them and accepted them, and in return they are saying do whatever you want, we aren't holding you back. And if you come back, we are here for you.

Pallavi made the choice, to accept the marriage. And again she will make that choice for one more time. Irrespective of how she feels, she needs to be provided with option of going out, and by doing that, they are giving her the respect she deserves. Her character lifts up, and theirs too, because those are conscious decisions, not just rishte nibhana. This strengthens the bond they share and the basis of their togetherness.

Sanki and Amma cannot be compared. Bas! Amma won my heart today like Farhad does when his sincere intentions are on display without any malice.

Cannot remember the last time Sanki cared about her as a person. Or any other individual for that matter. His character is downright shitty as a family man.

I was so confused while watching that scene, main kya bataun 🤣

I kept going from 👍🏼 to 👎🏼 and back to 👍🏼 again and again and again. On one hand, she was saying the right things. I am glad she realized she'd been unfair to Pallavi in imposing this marriage on her. I'm glad she made the point that Pallavi won't ask for an out herself, because she'll put others' happiness above hers. I didn't like that Jaya focused on how she broke apart Pallavi's family. I'd have preferred this conversation be around how the duo had taken her agency away from her, and it was time to give it back. And the scene, for all it's excellent intentions, and despite the fact that I actually love the end result of Jaya being the one who finally puts an end to the 'majboori' aspect of this marriage for both RaghVi, still rubbed me a little bit the wrong way because of how clearly Pallavi has told them both that it's her life, she should get to decide how to live it. She's saying she wants to live here. Let's assume she's saying it out of selflessness- even then, it's her decision to be selfless and she should be allowed to make it.

@bold- she won my heart too. Herein lies the issue with all my confusion. Her intent was so, so pure. She truly cares for Pallavi as if she's her own child. Pallavi ne aise hi thodi world's best saas ka title diya. She truly deserves it! Raghav and Pallavi have some shitty people in their lives, but they're so lucky to also have people like Jaya, Farhad, Krishna and Nikhil in their corner.

Vijay doesn't care for anyone, just his own ego, which he has mislabeled as his pride. It's a good contrast to the typical ITV trope- where the middle-class heroine and her family are the flagbearers of good family values, empathy, and goodness, whereas the rich hero and his family are all cold and aloof and emotionless. Then we get the inevitable speech of 'paison se parivaar aur khushiyaan aur pyaar nahi milta'. This is what Vijay's mindset is (you notice how he's always complaining about class difference, and his own gareebi, like it'll get him bonus points?), but it's wrong, and is depicted as wrong. The rich Raos have much more love, empathy, and family values between them than the Deshmukhs.

Originally posted by: aye-masakalii

@bold- yeah, it came through quite explicitly today. Milind came to speak to him about Pallavi, and he responded with 'Kaun Pallavi? Mere Mandaar ki vidhwa? Mandaar ke saath woh rishta bhi khatam ho gaya'. So, Mandaar died two years ago. If his rishta with Pallavi also ended then, do saal se kya naatak chal raha hai? It makes Sharda's affections for her all the more clear- Sharda was pissed off at her, but always with the haq of a mother. She never said Pallavi was her bahu or son's vidhwa, even in anger. And Sharda and Milind's constant claims that Raghav is the damaad of the family tells us they truly think she's a daughter. Vijay ne usse kabhi beti hi nahi maana, toh Raghav ko damaad kahaan se maan lega?

His label of Mandaar's widow felt extremely offensive and insensitive to me, considering she's a married woman. One could make a case (though I doubt anyone is making cases for Vijay) that he spoke those words in anger, but my sense was that he said words he'd always felt but always censored. His actions in this show have made me so suspicious about one thing I had loved about him in the first week of episodes- unlike Sharda, he wasn't pushing her to get married when she clearly didn't want to. But now I think he always had ulterior motives- he wanted to keep seeing her as Mandaar's widow, keep his sense of mahaanta in the community (probably another source of pride, along with his position as the patriarch), and have Pallavi work off her debt for his greatness for the rest of her life. She's thrown a wrench in those plans.

@red- I want to see his fall from grace too, but abhi nahi please 😅thoda sa break from his sanak. I want Mandaar to stay dead please, but if he does rise, I want Vijay to be the reason for his disappearance. Will be such a good slap in the face. Ya Sharda and Milind se something of the level of the mangalsutra-ditching-bluff-calling night.

I thought she'll be freaking out, after the moment is over, about what lines she crossed, and badon ki izzat karna, etc etc. I'm glad she's standing firm. This girl has no qualms standing up for what's right, irrespective of how that might personally effect her. She's always been strong in that regard- it's what allowed her to fearlessly go up against one of Hyderabad's most powerful men again and again- conviction and gumption. Good to know that didn't falter even in the face of her love for her family. I do feel so, so bad for her though. To see your father fall like this in your own eyes would be heartbreaking 💔😭

@bold red- this is SO TRUE. Even my first impression of him not agreeing to Sharda's idea of getting Pallavi married was that he was a progressive man who believed in giving his daughter the right to decide her future.. but no! like you said he could never accept her as his daughter..she was always Mandhar's widow for him who was meant to perform her duties in and out of the house and never think of any other man.. that explains his over reaction to her association with Raghav.. he was not being the protective father but an insecure father in law.. Do you think his extreme hatred for Raghav could be, not because of how he perceives him to be, arrogant, badtameez, paiso ke nashe me choor, but because he is jealous of him for being the one who Pallavi chose over him..? Im sure deep down he knows what kinda of a woman Pallavi is.. She will be an asset to whichever family she goes to and he lost her to him..

Originally posted by: MistyDawn

@bold red- this is SO TRUE. Even my first impression of him not agreeing to Sharda's idea of getting Pallavi married was that he was a progressive man who believed in giving his daughter the right to decide her future.. but no! like you said he could never accept her as his daughter..she was always Mandhar's widow for him who was meant to perform her duties in and out of the house and never think of any other man.. that explains his over reaction to her association with Raghav.. he was not being the protective father but an insecure father in law.. Do you think his extreme hatred for Raghav could be, not because of how he perceives him to be, arrogant, badtameez, paiso ke nashe me choor, but because he is jealous of him for being the one who Pallavi chose over him..? Im sure deep down he knows what kinda of a woman Pallavi is.. She will be an asset to whichever family she goes to and he lost her to him..

@red- yup, exactly.

@bold- Definitely could be, but also, heights of stupidity on his part. Pallavi would have happily stayed an asset for him and his family had he not just kept crossing limit after limit. Gaddha insaan.

Raghav's arrogance, badtameezi, etc is just an easy excuse for Vijay to pin his hatred. I think he just wanted Pallavi to serve as his son's widow forever- it was the best of both worlds for him, with her fulfilling Mandaar's responsibilities, living with them as his widow, but by doing a couple of visible gestures like calling her 'beti' and letting her wear colors, he also got lots of progressiveness credit. I've wondered before, how would Vijay have reacted had Pallavi met a Star Parivaar Awards ka favorite beta/favorite pati type aadarsh guy, and fallen in love with him or decided to move on in life with him. Sharda would have been elated, but would Vijay's hypocrisy be even more evident, if he didn't have all these reasons and excuses he has for Raghav?

Originally posted by: aye-masakalii

@red- yup, exactly.

@bold- Definitely could be, but also, heights of stupidity on his part. Pallavi would have happily stayed an asset for him and his family had he not just kept crossing limit after limit. Gaddha insaan.

Raghav's arrogance, badtameezi, etc is just an easy excuse for Vijay to pin his hatred. I think he just wanted Pallavi to serve as his son's widow forever- it was the best of both worlds for him, with her fulfilling Mandaar's responsibilities, living with them as his widow, but by doing a couple of visible gestures like calling her 'beti' and letting her wear colors, he also got lots of progressiveness credit. I've wondered before, how would Vijay have reacted had Pallavi met a Star Parivaar Awards ka favorite beta/favorite pati type aadarsh guy, and fallen in love with him or decided to move on in life with him. Sharda would have been elated, but would Vijay's hypocrisy be even more evident, if he didn't have all these reasons and excuses he has for Raghav?

@bold, this cracked me up but it's a great point. He wouldn't have the same excuses in that case and would have taken a different route.

He hates Raghav with all his heart and soul because he's jealous of him man to man, and then because he realizes that it's Raghav's entry and constant presence in Pallavi's life that influenced her and eventually helped her fly away. The Raghav Rao he met from day 1 till now has never had filters, barriers, or excuses for what he does. He is open, direct, honest, and very clear about what he wants, without the need to hide behind the facade of goodness or social norms. This isn't something that Sanki can do because he does care what people think and what happens to his 'izzat'.

The best thing about the almost-feet washing episode was that even if he tried his best to break Raghav's 'ghamand' to prove that his 'osool and naariya' about life are not just right but far superior to Raghav's, he was shown his place very well. That's why Raghav's body language as he bent down to wash Sanki's feet was never deflated, defeated, or even the slightest bit submissive. Physically he was on the ground but his dignity just soared and soared. I don't think Sanki expected him to call his bluff as his arrogance soared, and when Raghav did, he basically put Sanki back on earth where he belongs. It was one of the best scenes for me on the show.

Just wanted to say, I'm really loving these discussions!

I will take the time to respond to posts over the next few days, too many to read and dwell upon.