Engagement - Valid (Real) or Not?

This is in reference to other thread where people have been discussing if engagement with Shagun is Real or Not?

Strictly my opinion!

Well, it is clearly more valid than sindoor shaadi as its more open, Shaurya has owned it more publicly than Sindoor.... His whole family knows about it...

No, I don't think he is waiting for Anokhi to accept it whole heartedly.. Let's assume... For once Anokhi tells him tomorrow, she 'accepts' this Shaadi verbally. Will he really go and make public announcement? He is currently just blackmailing her about shouting the name because he is just being funny about whole thing... But let the reality sink in...

He and only he calls this engagement temporary... He has not even communicated this to Shagun, specially if he thinks she is genuine... Doing beizzati does not help... Or clarify... That this is not real...

Sindoor wali shaadi is accepted by two people in their heart and its mutual.. But was it needed? It's just mockery of marriage and sindoor... Sindoor can serve as a way of commitment, assurance and love.. Between two people... But unless it's public.. It stands no validity of marriage...

Tomorrow, by any chance, if Shaurya or Anokhi backs out from believing any of those nonsense happened, would other one have any evidence/proof?

Engagement ring is a proof! Shaurya telling it to Astha and rest of the family members about it is a proof!

Where exactly is a confusion about if engagement is real or Shaadi is real? Or what is more valid?

Go ahead... All up for being trolled and mocked 😆

Ek ka witness hai. Ek ka nahi.

Okay so Gayatri told me that Hindu marriage requires three witnesses. As per that, sindoor shaadi shall not be valid but this is ITV we are talking about. However, I am a person who goes by consent and heart. I am here just after seeing the epi where Shaurya puts ring on Shagun and later goes to put sindoor on Anokhi. Both the engagement and shaadi was done by an impulsive Shaurya. One to satisfy BM and another to satisfy himself. Legally speaking the marriage is not a marriage at all, however, because of lack of feelings/consent, the engagement is not an engagement either. But if I believe other posts, Anokhi is all blushing and Shaurya is all teasing, so what should I make of this? They believe the marriage. So if the bride and groom believe in their marriage, everything else becomes secondary. We all know acc to ITV logic, they will get married in front of everyone in a month or two.

According to Hindu Marriage law, Saptpadhi( saath phera) is the most important ritual. If Saptpadhi didn't happen then there is no legality of the marriage , again, there should be priest and witness too. Marriage isn't valid or real because it's not even a marriage at the first place. The engagement is definitely real and has more scope in the society as it has witnesses.Shaurya is officially two timing.

Originally posted by: Haal-e-Dil

Ek ka witness hai. Ek ka nahi.

Sochlo... Debate chal raha tha Engagement real hai ya nai...

We live in a society and society has to witness our coming together for marriage or engagement to be acceptable. Marriage and engagement both are social institutions. Marriage on top of that is a legal institution. In India it needs to be registered for it to be valid. Two people can be committed to each other for life without getting married and that is absolutely fine. You don't need the stamp of marriage for love or commitment. If it is marriage, it has to be something that has been done legally. When it is legal, society has to accept it. Registered marriages are happening nowadays. My parents generation only had social marriages mostly. Because it happed in the presence of so many people, there was no dearth of witnesses and was not difficult to prove in the court of law for inheritance and other matters.

Also, as far as I know, marriage can be nullified as long as it is not consummated.

I don't have much knowledge about legality of engagement.

As for my view of Shakhi marriage, there was not consent from both sides at the time of marriage. Shaurya did it impulsively. Anokhi accepted it later. That is why I cannot digest it. If Anokhi has accepted herself as Shaurya's wife she should ask for it to get registered. Because even when Shaurya doesn't fulfill her condition, she will not stop thinking herself as being married to him. So why not make it legal. That will be for Anokhi's own security. As I said, as long as they don't consummate, it is null and void. They can easily go for an annulment.

P.S. - I am not a legal expert. So I can be wrong.

Originally posted by: AnokhiKaShaurya

Okay so Gayatri told me that Hindu marriage requires three witnesses. As per that, sindoor shaadi shall not be valid but this is ITV we are talking about. However, I am a person who goes by consent and heart. I am here just after seeing the epi where Shaurya puts ring on Shagun and later goes to put sindoor on Anokhi. Both the engagement and shaadi was done by an impulsive Shaurya. One to satisfy BM and another to satisfy himself. Legally speaking the marriage is not a marriage at all, however, because of lack of feelings/consent, the engagement is not an engagement either. But if I believe other posts, Anokhi is all blushing and Shaurya is all teasing, so what should I make of this? They believe the marriage. So if the bride and groom believe in their marriage, everything else becomes secondary. We all know acc to ITV logic, they will get married in front of everyone in a month or two.

Yes, just because engagement did not have consent of both people does not mean.. It was not real.. Shagun was happy! 😆

And just because two people love each other, as Anokhi pointed out that during the 'ritual' she was not even aware till Sindoor was applied ... Let alone be OK.. But yes... She is OK with everything now and has accepted this as marriage it's more like an intrinsic commitment towards each other ... Tomorrow, if any of them decides to marry someone else, no one can question them... Let's assume even if Badi maa is on death bed and asks Shaurya to take pheras with Shagun (it's terribly disgusting to even imagine that 🤢 sorry for writing it out ) , one cannot claim that ShaSha has not married... And ShaKhi are married... Hence I feel engagement is more real than marriage in society and marriage was not even needed... Trust and commitment can come without such stupid acts... It was purely to show Shaurya's misogynistic image..

Originally posted by: shahsb_26

This is in reference to other thread where people have been discussing if engagement with Shagun is Real or Not?

Strictly my opinion!

Well, it is clearly more valid than sindoor shaadi as its more open, Shaurya has owned it more publicly than Sindoor.... His whole family knows about it...

No, I don't think he is waiting for Anokhi to accept it whole heartedly.. Let's assume... For once Anokhi tells him tomorrow, she 'accepts' this Shaadi verbally. Will he really go and make public announcement? He is currently just blackmailing her about shouting the name because he is just being funny about whole thing... But let the reality sink in...

He and only he calls this engagement temporary... He has not even communicated this to Shagun, specially if he thinks she is genuine... Doing beizzati does not help... Or clarify... That this is not real...

Sindoor wali shaadi is accepted by two people in their heart and its mutual.. But was it needed? It's just mockery of marriage and sindoor... Sindoor can serve as a way of commitment, assurance and love.. Between two people... But unless it's public.. It stands no validity of marriage...

Tomorrow, by any chance, if Shaurya or Anokhi backs out from believing any of those nonsense happened, would other one have any evidence/proof?

Engagement ring is a proof! Shaurya telling it to Astha and rest of the family members about it is a proof!

Where exactly is a confusion about if engagement is real or Shaadi is real? Or what is more valid?

Go ahead... All up for being trolled and mocked 😆

I was actually ok with Sindoor shadi as both loved each other and accepting it as marriage. But now come to think of it, Shaurya should not have taken this impulsive step because:

1) he himself is taking that engagement as an engagement even if temporary. Engaged to somebody and married to somebody else at the same time is so wrong.

2) he knows that when Anokhi will know about the engagement, she will be angry and need more time. But instead of telling this important piece of information to her and giving her time, he has other priorities like acting weird in front of her.

3) Now I am finding this marriage as completely baseless. No consent from her side for this marriage prior to it. No full disclosure of information. No witnesses. Instead of making it all correct, he is making it more wrong by celebrating first night, first time entering office etc etc.

And now after all this if he does not speak for Anokhi in front of everyone, then his character cannot be redeemed.

Originally posted by: shahsb_26

Yes, just because engagement did not have consent of both people does not mean.. It was not real.. Shagun was happy! 😆

And just because two people love each other, as Anokhi pointed out that during the 'ritual' she was not even aware till Sindoor was applied ... Let alone be OK.. But yes... She is OK with everything now and has accepted this as marriage it's more like an intrinsic commitment towards each other ... Tomorrow, if any of them decides to marry someone else, no one can question them... Let's assume even if Badi maa is on death bed and asks Shaurya to take pheras with Shagun (it's terribly disgusting to even imagine that 🤢 sorry for writing it out ) , one cannot claim that ShaSha has not married... And ShaKhi are married... Hence I feel engagement is more real than marriage in society and marriage was not even needed... Trust and commitment can come without such stupid acts... It was purely to show Shaurya's misogynistic image..

For me engagement is a ceremony where two people promise each other that they will get married sometime in the future and others get to witness the promise. But when one half of the couple isn't sincere in his promise, It is not exactly real. From a social POV, it may be right, but from emotional perspective, it means nothing.

I also agree than ShaKhi marriage is not proper, but here they have the consent. Anokhi admits that they got married and Shaurya sees her as a wife. Many people in America, UK go for a live-in. They are not legally married but they are emotionally and almost always physically bonded. I know SAAKK is set in India, but in the times where the country is changing, we should also try to be more modern in how we see things.

Second bold: I don't have much knowledge on legal matters, but I believe when you already have a wife and aren't divorced from her, a second marriage is not valid. Well, yes Anokhi should demand a marriage certificate if not a social wedding for her to stay secure.

Originally posted by: shahsb_26

Sochlo... Debate chal raha tha Engagement real hai ya nai...

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SS engagement - has witness and acceptance from the family 😇😂

AS wedding - no witness and will not get approval from the family at all 😱😂