Word sexual harassment and Extra Marital Affair - Page 3

Originally posted by: maahi11

So u mean to say, the Sali also gave mixed reactions to the jija, the Sali dint dared to stop the jija from humiliating her husband, and the Sali was kind enough to trash her husband like piece of shit and then when she realised Arre Mera pati tho bekasur hai, jija becomes bad,

what ever u saying I am not denying, I am just saying that this wanst harassment, concern, help nor humanity, what Pakhi wanted if u have seen a yesterday’s episode all she wanted acknowledgement from Virat which she dint got that’s one of the reasons she pointed out what she has done foe Virat while staying with him,

the problem is that she wants importance in Virat’s life she wants a say in Virat’s life, and honestly this would not have been started if she was stopped at the very first instance, which she was not,

Virat was offended that Pakhi left the home, he went her to get back, he even shouted and blamed sai, eventually sai had to bring her back stating Virat is not fine, that time too Virat had VC that sai must be thinking I am concerned about Pakhi so why dint he cleared her, till today sai thinks Virat loves Pakhi why thts coz Virat never cleared her,

Once denied it should be followed, even after having had a relationship, if one of the partners tries to do it again without the consent...yes it will be clubbed under harassment. Consent is the word here.He has asked her. Requested her to not be present in the room where they are alone and their respective partners are not there.. He has clearly asked her to stay away from him... In the last one week he has clearly asked her to stay away in clear clear words..In fact he has clarified her position in his life in the ladakh episode clearly..SHe can vent it out, blame him , shout at him but not force herself in his space..

Originally posted by: maahi11

So u mean to say, the Sali also gave mixed reactions to the jija, the Sali dint dared to stop the jija from humiliating her husband, and the Sali was kind enough to trash her husband like piece of shit and then when she realised Arre Mera pati tho bekasur hai, jija becomes bad,

what ever u saying I am not denying, I am just saying that this wanst harassment, concern, help nor humanity, what Pakhi wanted if u have seen a yesterday’s episode all she wanted acknowledgement from Virat which she dint got that’s one of the reasons she pointed out what she has done foe Virat while staying with him,

the problem is that she wants importance in Virat’s life she wants a say in Virat’s life, and honestly this would not have been started if she was stopped at the very first instance, which she was not,

Virat was offended that Pakhi left the home, he went her to get back, he even shouted and blamed sai, eventually sai had to bring her back stating Virat is not fine, that time too Virat had VC that sai must be thinking I am concerned about Pakhi so why dint he cleared her, till today sai thinks Virat loves Pakhi why thts coz Virat never cleared her,

I agree that Virat initially gave mixed reactions. But from holi week he clearly drew the line. Time and again he was saying when Samrat and Sai are not here we should not be together like this. In the hospital he's even more uncomfortable with just her presence let alone touch. Still Pakhi has the audacity to say I know what I want and I'll do whatever I want.

This scenario reminds me of a scene from Pink movie. When a person says "No" then it means "No". If they do it without consent then it's a clear cut harassment. Period!

Originally posted by: MuguetDScorpion

SInce long time they are indicating that there is more than just devaar bhabhi relationship between Ninad and Bhavani. Ashwini indirectly said it many times. Even today she was like why does this family do things they shouldn't do. Sai also speculated how Kaku and Ninad were into a weird relationship. Even Virat instead of giving shocked look he was more like Sai stop don't bring that topic in here. 😕 It's good to portray that devaar bhabhi special bond. (Recently I watched a few episode of Anupamaa and there Samar and Kinjal share that beautiful bhabhi devaar relationship. Can you believe it they even fed each other. But it wasn't cringy. Why ? Because it was clear from the beginning.) But with Ghum they made it look cringy and weird and awkward. No wonder fans are using that EMA tag for them. 🤢

Same for Virakhi. The way they close their eyes on Pakhi's behavior. It looks like they don't mind if Virakhi are sharing the same kind of relationship. So again it's awkward and really cringy. Which family would send a devaar bhabhi on a trip not only for the paperwork but also enjoy the nature. Which family would have a problem if the devaar's wife is going with them. They should be happy instead as no chances of MUs.

The man is unconscious and she knows that she was asked to stay away from him yet she crosses the limits by touching him. Why is it necessary to touch his forehead ? Was she checking his temperature ? 😆 Was it out of concern ? No none of that. She was just emotional that the man she loves is in a hospital bed. When someone is telling her that they should respect their bhabhi devaar relationship then why get touchy feely like this. 😕 If I am telling someone not to cross their limits and the person is still crossing it by the name of concern, I would definitely feel uncomfortable. And where there is uneasiness there is harassment.

babe was this bhabhi ever cleared that she is bhabhi, dost hai dost hai dost hai, Abhi bhi dost dost ka jaap tha, it is from past two weeks after the rejection Virat has been continuously pointing out that u r mine brothers wife and not my wife,

There is a trust factor in relationship which Sairat has on each other, as siya mentioned kaku is with Pakhi for suppressing sai,,, the day she warms up the table will turn,

I agree that there a line in a relationship but if I remember when sai pointed out on shivratri ninad and kaku where alao shocked, yes Virat asked her to stay in limits in a dignified way and she did, but the only thing which I have seen is respect they give her,

I will still say the root cause too both is the very inception,

Originally posted by: maahi11

At 1st instance she helping Virat lie down, 2nd the second Virat took his hand off from her she stopped and if she had forcefully took Virat’s hand I would have agreed to you,

The next time to she was trying to help him which obviously he denied, regarding what’s going in her mind or what she feels she had told Virat’s not ones but many times, if Virat has ignored and had not cleared at the very instant it is not entirely pakhis fault.

I am not a Pakhi fan, but my problem starts that you have given such a liberty to a woman to whom u never stopped, this is not 1st instance there had been lot of instances where Virat did not clear, a week or two back was 1st time ever he said about the relationship that never existed, dosti ki bhi limit hoti when u are married, as I mentioned today if Pakhi is at this stage she cannot be blamed alone, the mixed reaction says a lot,

I agree that virat is the one who gave her advances, and now she is unstoppable but from starting also if he cut her extreme advances like feeding food, eating food alone in his room... I am not supporting virat here, it's both virat and pakhi mistake... And I am also not saying pakhi is sexually harassing him.... I agree she is not.... But I can't deny that she is mentally harassing, because if she really cares for him,and she already know he would be uncomfortable by staying in his room, she would preferred to go home and let Mohit stay with him, if you really care about person don't you try to keep them as comfortable as possible in such situations... But no she preferred otherwise.... She only thought about her feeling out of obsession.... When one cares about only their feeling ignoring what the other one wants, then it will turn as obsession and harassment which also happens between lot of couples and it's wrong.. here I am not even considering pakhi as virat's vahini, because I am least one to bother about it ( as samrat left next day, I really won't consider pakhi as virat vahini) I am only considering her as virat's ex here.

Originally posted by: asmi_joya

Thankyou Jhanki for pointing out..I was also aware of this law...but did not quote it as I did not think I have the necessary knowledge as far as laws are considered.. I believe what Pakhi did today.. considering what has happened in the last few days.. can be clubbed into physical harassment.. SHe has been very explicit with him , by chosing the right words..

I am not repulsed by Pakhi as a character.....she is a character a fictional one at that.And a wonderful character to play as an actor...But her actions cannot be called help or concern towards Virat as far as today's episode is concerned.. I vehemently deny to believe so..

She has explicitly stated what she wants from him. Even after his clear get out, she pursues him. Add to that list of dialogues "Apne dil mein meri jagah kisi aur ko de rahe ho"... and add to the Section 354 (D) Stalking -- something that was not defined until the 2012 Delhi rape happened. Courts acknowledged that often obsession visible in the form of stalking etc goes unpunished because it is not clearly defined and leads to the bigger crime against the victim because the stalker gets bolder -- earlier 354 was only a section with a vague definition of molestation. But that rape changed it and each "Act" that constitutes as sexual harassment has been defined now.

He has also explicitly said "No" to PP, not once but at least four times now since the last fight Sai and Virat had when Sai was ready to leave the house. But she does not leave him alone, does not stop wanting to upstage his wife and become his "wife" and even says, "You 'hurt' me as much as you like but I know what I want and what I have to do"... now the writers, for the sake of wanting to evoke sympathy for her used the word "hurt" but it should be read as "reject"... "You reject me as much as you want but I will continue to pursue you."

She clearly knows he doesnot want her in his physical proximity, he has warned her not to visit his room unnecessarily but she goes on to push her way through to stay in the closest proximity to him to "Win him over" alone at a hospital when he is not in the state to even register what is she doing (we know she only did 'dekh-bhaal' but for argument sake and stating facts). She has absolutely disregarded his lack of "consent". Also, the touch -- yes she was helping him lay down again and he's injured and it was not "sexual" so to say but well, she knows he doesnot want it and is clearly uncomfortable so she ought to have called the ICU attendant to lay him down immediately instead of touching him.

Also, the broad definition of sexual harassment is applicable for anyone touching anyone with whatever intention against their consent or knowledge. No one has the right to touch anyone's body without their consent, whatever be the reason.

Originally posted by: maahi11

At 1st instance she helping Virat lie down, 2nd the second Virat took his hand off from her she stopped and if she had forcefully took Virat’s hand I would have agreed to you,

The next time to she was trying to help him which obviously he denied, regarding what’s going in her mind or what she feels she had told Virat’s not ones but many times, if Virat has ignored and had not cleared at the very instant it is not entirely pakhis fault.

I am not a Pakhi fan, but my problem starts that you have given such a liberty to a woman to whom u never stopped, this is not 1st instance there had been lot of instances where Virat did not clear, a week or two back was 1st time ever he said about the relationship that never existed, dosti ki bhi limit hoti when u are married, as I mentioned today if Pakhi is at this stage she cannot be blamed alone, the mixed reaction says a lot,

She didn't forcefully took his hand because she know the very next second he will call nurse and throw her out..

It doesn't matter whether virat didn't stopped pakhi from long time or not.. He on the previous day clearly showed her place in his life is just his brother wife and can be as a friend.. Nothing more.. Also told that he is in love with his wife.. Thats it...

You cant blame virat for pakhi action now.. Till that v-p sequence virat was equally responsible.. But not now..

Originally posted by: janhav

She has explicitly stated what she wants from him. Even after his clear get out, she pursues him. Add to that list of dialogues "Apne dil mein meri jagah kisi aur ko de rahe ho"... and add to the Section 354 (D) Stalking -- something that was not defined until the 2012 Delhi rape happened. Courts acknowledged that often obsession visible in the form of stalking etc goes unpunished because it is not clearly defined and leads to the bigger crime against the victim because the stalker gets bolder -- earlier 354 was only a section with a vague definition of molestation. But that rape changed it and each "Act" that constitutes as sexual harassment has been defined now.

He has also explicitly said "No" to PP, not once but at least four times now since the last fight Sai and Virat had when Sai was ready to leave the house. But she does not leave him alone, does not stop wanting to upstage his wife and become his "wife" and even says, "You 'hurt' me as much as you like but I know what I want and what I have to do"... now the writers, for the sake of wanting to evoke sympathy for her used the word "hurt" but it should be read as "reject"... "You reject me as much as you want but I will continue to pursue you."

She clearly knows he doesnot want her in his physical proximity, he has warned her not to visit his room unnecessarily but she goes on to push her way through to stay in the closest proximity to him to "Win him over" alone at a hospital when he is not in the state to even register what is she doing (we know she only did 'dekh-bhaal' but for argument sake and stating facts). She has absolutely disregarded his lack of "consent". Also, the touch -- yes she was helping him lay down again and he's injured and it was not "sexual" so to say but well, she knows he doesnot want it and is clearly uncomfortable so she ought to have called the ICU attendant to lay him down immediately instead of touching him.

Also, the broad definition of sexual harassment is applicable for anyone touching anyone with whatever intention against their consent or knowledge. No one has the right to touch anyone's body without their consent, whatever be the reason.

Exactly the touch does not have to be sexual... But if the person is uncomfortable that becomes wrong.. Companies have policies where women can complain if the feel the handshake....a professional handshake made them uncomfortable.. So yeah the keywords here are comfort and consent..

Just somebody in other post pointed out, if a patient is uncomfortable by a health professional's touch he can deny simply.. In today's episode twice he denied to be touched by Pakhi and by not listening to him and still wanting to stay in the room even after being told otherwise, it cannot be clubbed under a normal category of concern... And her words about doing whatever she things right meant she would stay back to be with him, even after his denial.. Is that not abuse?

What I have heard is that they club stalking and whatever else mentioned by you in your previous post under sexual harassment , is because data shows, people showcasing such behaviour have the tendency to assault you physically given a chance..

Thankyou Janki for pointing these sections, we as women should know these laws in order to always question when we see ourselves or others around us in such situations.. 🤗

Originally posted by: nimitha12

I agree in EMA one. Because c gang just want to get rid of sai and they love samrat. So noway they will push pakhi to ema.

But sexual harassment can't be neglected. That aspect came because the feeling in pakhi's mind which she openly admitted. She want sai's position in virat life.. Which is his wife. She is constantly asking if sai can feed you why can't i.. If sai can take care of you why can't i..? So i her mind she have those romantic wifey feelings for him which makes her slightest touches creepy and harassment. And today she tried to touch him again and again even after his first refusal though she stopped before actually touching him..

So word is surfaced as a summery...

I remember rishiraj singh ips saying in a college function that if a person touched you private part accidentally its not sexual abuse.. But if a person even looked you with wrong creepy intention and make you feel uncomfortable its sexual abuse..

Exactly.. We have laws in our company where if a woman feels uncomfortable while a professional handshake and she complains....that comes under sexual harassment.. Denying to leave someone's cubicle even after being requested again and again..is sexual harassment. Pakhi might not mean/intend sexual harassment , but what she is doing right now is physical and mental harassment.

Originally posted by: maahi11

babe was this bhabhi ever cleared that she is bhabhi, dost hai dost hai dost hai, Abhi bhi dost dost ka jaap tha, it is from past two weeks after the rejection Virat has been continuously pointing out that u r mine brothers wife and not my wife,

There is a trust factor in relationship which Sairat has on each other, as siya mentioned kaku is with Pakhi for suppressing sai,,, the day she warms up the table will turn,

I agree that there a line in a relationship but if I remember when sai pointed out on shivratri ninad and kaku where alao shocked, yes Virat asked her to stay in limits in a dignified way and she did, but the only thing which I have seen is respect they give her,

I will still say the root cause too both is the very inception,

It's actually how one sees it. For me the dialogues they use and the speculations make it look like there is more than just the special bond. If they really want people to think it's ony respect they need to work hard on the dialogues, the expressions and the reactions too. For me there is a huge difference between the devaar bhabhi relationship shown in Anupamaa and here in Ghum. And that's just an example. There are many shows were the devaar bhabhi relationship was portrayed briliantly. For example I even see a huge difference between Omkar and Ninad. Omkar looks like he just respects Kaku and sometimes behaves like a chamcha to please her. But I get weird vibes from Ninad. 😕

It doesn't matter friends or not friends. Even a friend can get uncomfortable. So when a friend is asking to stop then one needs to stop. Virat was always wrong that's not even the question. It doesn't actually matter if he is saying it from the beginning or just a day ago, a NO is a NO. If she is still not understanding then it's still harassment even if it took him forever to accept that she was crossing her limits.

Originally posted by: maahi11

babe was this bhabhi ever cleared that she is bhabhi, dost hai dost hai dost hai, Abhi bhi dost dost ka jaap tha, it is from past two weeks after the rejection Virat has been continuously pointing out that u r mine brothers wife and not my wife,

There is a trust factor in relationship which Sairat has on each other, as siya mentioned kaku is with Pakhi for suppressing sai,,, the day she warms up the table will turn,

I agree that there a line in a relationship but if I remember when sai pointed out on shivratri ninad and kaku where alao shocked, yes Virat asked her to stay in limits in a dignified way and she did, but the only thing which I have seen is respect they give her,

I will still say the root cause too both is the very inception,

He clarified in the PD lunch episode she is his brother's wife and a friend for him .. Thats my truth.. And yet again in the recent episodes, he very clearly told her to not be in his room when his wife and her husband is not present.. He asked her to go out so many times the other day as well..and even in his weak state he did the same..He asked her to leave and all she did was say that she will do what she feels is right even after being told otherwise.. EVen if you are in a relationship and you allowed the other person to touch you, claim their love you.. but the day you tell you are not comfortable with their presence, it has to end there..if it doesnt even after multiple requests...it is harassment.

I have also Maahi..in my posts mentioned of how Virat's initial behaviour is responsible for her current state... But that ended in PD's lunch episode.. He told her directly he is not in love with her..and two days back he told her to stay in limits as she is his brother's wife and he is in love with Sai.. How is it not harassment if she still tries to ask him the same question.."Sai ko jaane ko kehte" , when he asks her to leave..SHe is equating her place in his life..If a person comes to me ...even if he was my ex and says you allowed your husband to feed you, had your special moment with me...how could you not do the same with me.. Did you forget what rishta we had.. did you forget my place in your life.. Even after multiple times of being told that he needs to keep a distance from me..