Celebs' mutual blindness - Page 4

One word: Fascism.

If you look at the history of authoritarian governments, one thing they have succeeded in is silencing all criticism and dissent.

It is true, many celebrities don't have a spine. They won't take risks for a cause. They fear standing up to authorities.

But the bigger thing everyone should be worried about is the authoritarianism in the country that has silenced critics. India was falling deep into an abyss well before COVID. Its only now becoming evident how far its fallen.

Not OT but for people again hyping up Pfizer/Moderna:

Before ppl again start with why Moderna/Pfizer were not allowed blah blah blah, Pfizer wasn't ready to conduct bridge trials. Not every demography is the same. The genetic markup and diet, usual co-morbs play a significant role. Hence, bridge trials are important.

Pfizer also wanted exemption/legal immunity against any mishaps due to side-effects.

20 blood clotting cases created an uproar against the AstraZeneca vaccine which actually conducted trials.

Imagine what could happen if we start allowing vaccines without trials, who'll take the responsibility of any mishaps?

Plus the mRNA vaccines will need more infra to maintain. And they are going to cost way more to the country than the locally produced ones. Pfizer entered into a contract with EU (who actually contributed to its RnD) at the price of somewhere around 18-20 euros per dose(please note per dose and not vial).

If you think they are gonna sell it to India at a lesser cost then I can't help you. These kind of tenders have initial contract and then renewed price, even if they enter free of cost within a quarter they'll charge way more. Pfizer has also asked for no price control for this very reason.

4 insta post aur twitter handles follow krke if you are forming your opinions about the vaccines then there's a word for folks like you.

We are living in AUTOCRACY remember.

If anyone speaks there will be first Income Tax raid.

Then FIRs from different religious, youth leader groups.

Then will come byocott, poster burning and threatening calls to producers not to release that star movies.

Fate of Kangana today is a fine example, what happens in Bollywood if anyone speaks against system.

Originally posted by: trouble_006

Not OT but for people again hyping up Pfizer/Moderna:

Before ppl again start with why Moderna/Pfizer were not allowed blah blah blah, Pfizer wasn't ready to conduct bridge trials. Not every demography is the same. The genetic markup and diet, usual co-morbs play a significant role. Hence, bridge trials are important.

Pfizer also wanted exemption/legal immunity against any mishaps due to side-effects.

20 blood clotting cases created an uproar against the AstraZeneca vaccine which actually conducted trials.

Imagine what could happen if we start allowing vaccines without trials, who'll take the responsibility of any mishaps?

Plus the mRNA vaccines will need more infra to maintain. And they are going to cost way more to the country than the locally produced ones. Pfizer entered into a contract with EU (who actually contributed to its RnD) at the price of somewhere around 18-20 euros per dose(please note per dose and not vial).

If you think they are gonna sell it to India at a lesser cost then I can't help you. These kind of tenders have initial contract and then renewed price, even if they enter free of cost within a quarter they'll charge way more. Pfizer has also asked for no price control for this very reason.

4 insta post aur twitter handles follow krke if you are forming your opinions about the vaccines then there's a word for folks like you.

Genuinely curious. So what about all the Indians who are of the same genetics and on the same indian diet as people of India but we live in USA? Should pfizer have done a separate trial for us?

Originally posted by: Rhimjhimsawan

Genuinely curious. So what about all the Indians who are of the same genetics and on the same indian diet as people of India but we live in USA? Should pfizer have done a separate trial for us?

Pfizer did it's trial in USA, they must have had people of various ethnicities in the trials they conducted there I'm sure. Par when you look at the bigger picture, you(I mean the folks belonging to your ethnicity and diet etc) contribute to a minor percentage of the US population. You would be the exception there and not the norm. Also, Pfizer isn't immuned in the US.

Here, the impact especially of an mRNA vaccine might be different(it may as well not be, which is why a bridge trial is important). And that impact would be on a generic level and not an exception. And providing Pfizer with an immunity would lead to no accountability. We have different weather conditions, different immune systems (you can say that you follow the same diet but there is a difference in quality n everything at the basic level), different generic co-morbidities, etc etc. The chemicals and crops consumed , antibodies you develop while living in the US, even the fluoride percentage in water is different than in India, thus a bridge trial is always asked.

Originally posted by: sharmajikaladka

We are living in AUTOCRACY remember.

If anyone speaks there will be first Income Tax raid.

Then FIRs from different religious, youth leader groups.

Then will come byocott, poster burning and threatening calls to producers not to release that star movies.

Fate of Kangana today is a fine example, what happens in Bollywood if anyone speaks against system.

What happened to her?

The way delhi govt is handling the situation is beyond worse. Horrible governance by kejriwal. Wth is that guy even doing ?

😕

Originally posted by: trouble_006

Not OT but for people again hyping up Pfizer/Moderna:

Before ppl again start with why Moderna/Pfizer were not allowed blah blah blah, Pfizer wasn't ready to conduct bridge trials. Not every demography is the same. The genetic markup and diet, usual co-morbs play a significant role. Hence, bridge trials are important.

Pfizer also wanted exemption/legal immunity against any mishaps due to side-effects.

20 blood clotting cases created an uproar against the AstraZeneca vaccine which actually conducted trials.

Imagine what could happen if we start allowing vaccines without trials, who'll take the responsibility of any mishaps?

Plus the mRNA vaccines will need more infra to maintain. And they are going to cost way more to the country than the locally produced ones. Pfizer entered into a contract with EU (who actually contributed to its RnD) at the price of somewhere around 18-20 euros per dose(please note per dose and not vial).

If you think they are gonna sell it to India at a lesser cost then I can't help you. These kind of tenders have initial contract and then renewed price, even if they enter free of cost within a quarter they'll charge way more. Pfizer has also asked for no price control for this very reason.

4 insta post aur twitter handles follow krke if you are forming your opinions about the vaccines then there's a word for folks like you.

Pfizer had a very large trial first of all; that did included multiple ethnicities. For some reason African Americans has the most effect with almost 100% immunity, Asians were also represented in the trial, and were listed as 89%, which is still amazing and much higher than most vaccines.

The floor clotting issues, one theory was how many people already had an underlying blood disorder. Because even now Pfizer and Moderna you have to be careful to give to people with underlying blood disorders. It appears it doesn't cause NEW blood disorders but more so noted in people who already had it.

Here's the study for anyone that wants to read it

https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2034577

Originally posted by: desigal90

Pfizer had a very large trial first of all; that did included multiple ethnicities. For some reason African Americans has the most effect with almost 100% immunity, Asians were also represented in the trial, and were listed as 89%, which is still amazing and much higher than most vaccines.

The floor clotting issues, one theory was how many people already had an underlying blood disorder. Because even now Pfizer and Moderna you have to be careful to give to people with underlying blood disorders. It appears it doesn't cause NEW blood disorders but more so noted in people who already had it.

Here's the study for anyone that wants to read it

https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2034577

Originally posted by: trouble_006

Pfizer did it's trial in USA, they must have had people of various ethnicities in the trials they conducted there I'm sure. Par when you look at the bigger picture, you(I mean the folks belonging to your ethnicity and diet etc) contribute to a minor percentage of the US population. You would be the exception there and not the norm. Also, Pfizer(the company) isn't immuned in the US.

Here, the impact especially of an mRNA vaccine might be different(it may as well not be, which is why a bridge trial is important). And that impact would be on a generic level and not an exception. And providing Pfizer with an immunity would lead to no accountability. We have different weather conditions, different immune systems (you can say that you follow the same diet but there is a difference in quality n everything at the basic level), different generic co-morbidities, etc etc. The chemicals and crops consumed , antibodies you develop while living in the US, even the fluoride percentage in water is different than in India, thus a bridge trial is always asked.

To explain the need for bridge trials in layman terms is: suppose 10% of people belonging to Indian ethnicity suffered from side effects in the US, that would amount to <1% of the total US population. It would be something very minor in the grand scheme of things (and this is when there are so many other variables as well to be considered, already explained in one of the replies above). But if 10% of Indians in India suffer from side-effects that would make up a huge number. (This is just an example to explain the reasons behind bridge trials).

Again, I'm not saying that there are going to be side effects for sure, but with bridge trials you get a clearer idea of what might be the generic side effects before you jump in.

They all Modi ass lickers I guess

And who knows maybe they also took part in that massive Kumbh mela or Modi election mela , followed by a dip in Ganges ; do they need to stay silent

Who knows there is a video that could go viral , them chanting in Modi Mela and Ganga snaan