Sai's views on her marriage to Virat - Page 2

Dont think the idea of marriage occured to either Sai or virat till villagers put it in their heads.

Sai genuinely didnt want to get married but she did seek his comfort. She knew he is trustworthy and genuinely cares. She wanted him to be at the hospital when she was getting discharged even though she told him not to come. She called put t9 him as he was leaving the room before her suicide attempt too but didnt say anything... She lashed out at him because unconsciously she felt like she could afford to. He wouldn't judge her. He'd take it because he knew that her fathers death was a big deal and shes suffering. And she did respect him coz her father said such good things about him, he saved her from jagtap. So she wanted to lean on him for support coz she had no one else anyway- UM/villagers clearly thought of her as a burden. but she wanted support only, not marriage especially when she had known all along when she overheard his conversations that he has this special friend called pp who he is clearly in love with/atleast has feelings for.

Similaly i dont think virat considered marrying her until villagers suggested it and the dream he saw. He was definitely intending to keep a lookout for Sai but dont think he would have married her. If villagers didn't suggest marriage, dream alone may not have been enough unless KJ sir in his dream told him to marry Sai. But KJ sir when he took promise only said- take care of her, not marry Sai.

I think once marriage was suggested by others neither Sai nor Virat could vehmently oppose it coz for Virat- he was taking her zimmedari. He was attracted to Sai without his own knowledge and definitely protective of her and getting married meant he could take her responsibility without any questions being raised coz he would be her husband and for Sai- she trusted him, the elders who meant a lot to her in GC were forcing it and her dad held virat in high regard. She gave him the option of backing out because she knew about pp but he still went ahead. She didnt think of the long term consequences even though i think she was definitely bothered by the fact that he said not to have any expectations from him- to Sai she couldn't understand why he'd want to commit to marrying her if he didnt love her but virst seed keen so she gave up and figured this marriage was an arrangement for her to have shelter snd support until she finished her studies so she took it. Virat had made the terms clear and so she went with it. She didn't really have a choice. She didn't hate virat or have any reason to run away. So really nothing she could've done. If she kept refusing also the villagers would have convinced her. And again she had an "unknown" connection with virat...

But if Virat had kept meeting Sai to check on her, especially after suicide attempt, he may have asked her to come stay in his house for few days abd elders would have thrown a fit that he has invited this girl to live with them and maybe living with her and taanas from bk gang would have given virat the idea to consider marrying her....hard to say.

Originally posted by: laksh

Hi,

Can you please drop in your views on this?

Originally posted by: laksh

Hi all,

Did Sai want to get married to Virat?

Please cast your votes for this question.

I don't think Sai would have wanted to marry Virat. She was still mourning her father. She is possessive of Virat and gets hurt when he doesn't come to discharge her from hospital. But still, she is still not in a frame of mind, given her circumstances and age, to get married to anyone.

When the villagers force her to get married, she realizes that she cannot rely on anybody in the world to take her responsibility. So perhaps she might have accepted the marriage since she trusts Virat. But Virat's "ummeed mat rakhna" squashed that possibility.

In addition to this, can I have views on the below please?

Virat said Sai that he wasn't marrying Sai because the villagers was pressurising him. He was marrying her because it was his duty and he wanted to take her responsibility.

Let us assume that the villagers blamed Virat that he did not fulfill the promise he made to Kamal sir after Sai's suicide attempt, but they did not go to his house, the morning he woke up from the dream where he rescued Sai, would Virat have still thought of marrying Sai?

Yes. I believe that even if the elders had not come that morning, he would have married her. (Provided they had already asked him to marry her during the post-cremation pooja).Even if we he had gone to Nagpur as planned, he would have come back to take her with him. I don't think he wanted so much to marry her as want to protect her from harm and support her. But since this opportunity came with the condition of marriage, he would accept that also.

And if Virat still wanted to marry Sai for her safety and if there was no pressure from villagers, would Sai have accepted to marry Virat?

If there was no pressure from the villagers, and Virat proposed to marry her, she would still not have accepted since it came with terms and conditions.

If there wasn't any t&c, she would not have agreed then given the circumstances. But after spending more time together, (she in hostel, meeting him regularly) she would have eventually accepted.

Let us say they did pressurise Virat and Sai as in the show, did Sai really mean when she asked Virat to say no to the marriage?

Was her request to him to backoff from the marriage genuine or not?

I think it was mixed. She realized that she could not refuse the villagers. But she did not want it to be an ehsaan or burden for Virat. So she was asking him to back off from the offer, in case he was doing so out of pressure - for her self-respect. May be her instinct about Pakhi was also at the back of her mind.

And if it her request was genuine, does it mean that Sai never cared if Virat was or not offering to provide her support?

She always wanted his attention and care. But it wasn't love. And she was not in a frame of mind to want a marriage at that point.

Please do drop in your comments.

Hi Laksh (may I know your name?)

Nice question ! And so many interesting viewpoints! This discussion is .

My answers in blue....

I'm not sure how correct it is. Just my putting my thoughts to be discussed and also contradicted .

Originally posted by: jane_austen

Hi Laksh (may I know your name?)

Nice question !

My answers in blue....

I'm not sure how correct it is. Just my putting my thoughts to be discussed and also contradicted .

@laksh guessing your name is Lakshmi or Lakshana 🤔 if I am right I get an OS

@notaquitter I wanted to ask your name too...May I know your name? My name is Shalini....

Originally posted by: laksh

Hi all,

Did Sai want to get married to Virat?

Please cast your votes for this question.

In addition to this, can I have views on the below please?

Virat said Sai that he wasn't marrying Sai because the villagers was pressurising him. He was marrying her because it was his duty and he wanted to take her responsibility.

Let us assume that the villagers blamed Virat that he did not fulfill the promise he made to Kamal sir after Sai's suicide attempt, but they did not go to his house, the morning he woke up from the dream where he rescued Sai, would Virat have still thought of marrying Sai?

And if Virat still wanted to marry Sai for her safety and if there was no pressure from villagers, would Sai have accepted to marry Virat?

Let us say they did pressurise Virat and Sai as in the show, did Sai really mean when she asked Virat to say no to the marriage?

Was her request to him to backoff from the marriage genuine or not?

And if it her request was genuine, does it mean that Sai never cared if Virat was or not offering to provide her support?

Please do drop in your comments.

Hmm,I'll be honest ,you know I have missed GC,but I do have seen some clips and that dream as well. So ,I will try to analyse as much as I can over here.

Reagrding the main question,my answer is no.

I am not saying as in she blamed him,hated him kimd of way,but yeah ,it was in the sense, lets say in a general direction, it was unexpected. You know ,if out of the blue, if someone asks you to marry, then ot will be a 'no' for the most part.

And regarding the dream part,yes,he would have. With or without the villagers. One is ,that is Virat, emotional, and he genuinely did care for Sai and respected Kamal sir,and he is loyal,we have to agree this. Cuz,here the thing stopping him was not the discomfort of marriage or marriage due to a responsibility, but the promise that he gave to didi. So,it was what was bothering him,rather than marrying Sai I guess.

Reagrding the other questions, I don't think Sai's no had a sense of non-concern over here. Cuz,as I initially said ,Sai was still in a lot of muddled situation,lost her father,emotionally disturbed,and now marriage,even if they both didn't commit properly,but marriage comes with some things and a part of responsibility will be on Sai even if she doesn't want it. So,this. And,she knew of didi,somewhere or other, so she had her doubts,and Sai did care for Virat in a sense,so for him, she might have said no as well. As,I said ,even if it is a marriage for responsibility, marriage itself comes with some responsibilities.

Sai was not ready for marriage..She had different set of dreams for the next few years and certainly marriage was not a part of the same..Yes she felt driven towards Virat was inexplicably attracted to him and did not like the mention of Pakhi by him and yet marriage was not something that was in her mind... She would not have married if things were in her hand..

She lost her father.. her only family and when you lose a significant part of your life you do not understand what is the next step you have to take in life. You have no motivation to look forward to no life to dream about..All her dreams until then involved her father..I have been in a situation where after losing a significant person in my life I was not able to decide what is to be done with life and yes I was older to Sai the and I did have my other family members.. Your dreams..your aspirations all seem worthless and insignificant when the person you see the dream for..the person who dreamed for you..is no more to see getting it fulfilled..There is no direction to life, no where to go..so many questions unanswered.. and so many thoughts of quitting it all... overpowering you.. In such cases one has no mind of own or has too many minds at the same time.. Its very easy for some friend some relative to put a thought or a decision in your mind. To convince you with something that you would not have agreed to , had the situation been normal.. To make you agree with the fact that there is no way out and only this step can help with the situation.

So I do believe that happened with Sai..Ofcourse she would not have gotten married to someone else, since she knew Virat trusted in him immensely and also had her AAba's vote to count.. The promise that was given to her AAba ..the man was entrusted to take care of her..by her Aaba... That last wish also kind of plays with your brain..You do get wrapped around the last wish of someone you love..It also kind of makes you live..

Then again she knew Virat has someone in his life..she was smart enough to understand it in the very beginning and she wanted to know if this marriage is something that he wants..and if he really wants it then what happens to the one he loves.. With Virat's denial to not have her expectations as a Patni..it all shattered for her.. The girl was not up for that marriage and she honestly wanted Virat to back out..Because by that time she has realised the GC people are not really much interested in taking care of her...They really want to give over her zimmedaari to someone else..She did not really want to be a burden to have a forceful existence in their life..where everytime she would be thinking how they really did not want her to stay back in GC and get her married.. I am sure GC people loved her enough to not get her married to any random Tom Dick and Harry..I dont believe Maushi would have let that happen..she was always impressed with Virat and liked him as a human being.. Maushi also knew Kamal Joshi's inclination towards him and had also seen his care concern towards both Kamal Joshi and Sai and hence she was driven to take that decision..For Sai it was difficult to deny because Virat was a good man and the GC people did not really appear that they were keen on taking her responsibility..So Sai being the self respecting girl agreed for the marriage .. not because she wanted to ..but in a way she had no choice.. Her going to Virat and desperately asking him to back out and then GC people wont be able to get her married to him was the last respite.. to not get married.. She did not also want to get into a loveless marriage..She did have her own set of dreams for marriage and her would be husband..Virat at that moment was not fulfilling it...

For Virat it made sense to get married because no way an orthodox family would have let him get in with an unknown girl in CN.. As his wife she would live with certain degree of respect which would not have been possible if she entered just like his responsibility.. Virat ignores the ways of his family but is not obscure towards it...

Laksh tried my best to explain Sai's feelings and I do have my personal experience attributing to my reasoning of why Sai went ahead with marriage..I may be wrong..Thanks for tagging me..

Originally posted by: raji02

i don’t think both of them were thinking of marriage at that point of time. virat was ready to leave gc when sai refused his help right even when villagers pressurised him to get married to sai.he might have taken care of her by financing her studies. but sai’s suicide attempt was actually a wake up call to him that sai has no one who could become her strength in her moment of weakness. virat probably wanted to be that strength so that she doesn’t fall into depths of despair again.

I agree, my viewpoint too.

also, i think sai was genuine when she asked him to back off from marriage. because like every girl she also might have had dreams about her marriage , may not br at that age but later. she knew marriage with virat would be nothing like that. she probably would have done some course and started working for her living.

I believe the same.

but when virat refused to back down , i think she actually saw someone whom her father trusted and she sub-consciously trusted as well who was willing to be her strength till she finds her footing and help her achieve her dreams. she wanted that security and he was also offering her way out of the loveless marriage once he fulfills his responsibilities. both of them took the best route they could in their emotional state at that point of time.

Exactly.

Thanks for the comments Raji. ❤❤

Can you call by that?

Originally posted by: Svt611

Firstly nice questions!!

In simple it would be a No.. but it is actually much more complicated than that..

I agree.

In my opinion the whole thing was rushed in a way because the trauma of losing her father was still extremely fresh in her mind

Yes, very much.

Virat said Sai that he wasn't marrying Sai because the villagers was pressurising him. He was marrying her because it was his duty and he wanted to take her responsibility. Let us assume that the villagers blamed Virat that he did not fulfill the promise he made to Kamal sir after Sai's suicide attempt, but they did not go to his house, the morning he woke up from the dream where he rescued Sai, would Virat have still thought of marrying Sai?

In my opinion as it was mentioned in this thread

https://www.indiaforums.com/forum/post/156238789

Somewhere both were attached to each other in not a physical sense but maybe more of an emotional sense.. the factor also being that Sai was his gurus daughter. He was actually extremely proud of her achievements..

the dream is analyzed pretty well in this post. Even if the villagers had not visited Virat in the morning he would have still agreed, if you remember he said I have decided, the dream being the motivating factor. The chains were pakhis promise but as ninad had told Virat that the promise made to a dying man and the farz should always take precedence. It is very common for service men to think with their mind rather than heart, at that point looking at Sai’s weak mental state plus the possibility of her life being in danger again he took that step.
My opinion too.

Let us say they did pressurise Virat and Sai as in the show, did Sai really mean when she asked Virat to say no to the marriage?

This was a complicated question again because it was heart vs mind. Somewhere Sai also knew that staying with Virat was a way for hun to protect her, to help her fulfill her dreams. But somewhere she knew he loved (questionable) someone else and for her she would have come in between, she did know his love was married but to whom she wasn’t sure.

Hmm, I beg to differ. I believe that she somewhere agreed that villagers were right that only Virat can take care of her and she also knew it was her Dad who gave him.the responsibility. But I don't believe she considered that as one of the factors.

I anyway wanted to know your viewpoint, so yes, that is your viewpoint. Will try to think about it.

Was her request to him to backoff from the marriage genuine or not?

I think she was genuine. Again it is debatable but I do feel somewhere she didn’t want to be tied to someone or for someone to take her responsibility, for Sai she has always been independent but in that moment of grief and weakness she took a step which was against her character but it was because she lost her only support in life. Even after all those years of harassment the only reason why she was still living life to the fullest was because of abba. Many harassment victims who don’t receive moral and emotional support actually take drastic steps.

Somewhere she didn’t want the marriage but her subconscious also knew that she needed the support.

Well said. I also believe that she was genuinely asking it.

And if it her request was genuine, does it mean that Sai never cared if Virat was or not offering to provide her support?

I don’t think so... she was genuine but that didn’t mean she never cared for Virat or his support. See Sai probably didn’t want Virat to be tied down with her, taking someone’s responsibility is a huge thing and Sai knew that. She knew somewhere that the ‘deal’ will be hard to follow.. it would be different if virat lived alone but staying with a family makes a difference there are unsaid expectations from both.
she probably meant well for him by asking him to back off because she also knew he loved someone else and there was a possibility of him getting his love back.

Well noted and well said. You are right, she thought about him as well and didn't want him to be tied down with her against his well.

I also look at these factors from her state of mind then, I think if I’m not wrong the marriage took place two three days post Abbas death, I’ve been saying this for a long time that Sai has not grieved properly. Her state of mind at that time was so fragile as we saw with the suicide attempt.
In this state people are usually not able to take rational decisions. Over time she has accepted and is grateful because she knows without virats support her education would not have been completed..

Exactly. Yes, she hardly got time to grieve on her father's death and that is very sad.

These are just my opinions I’m sure others will have different views and some might have better answers as well! 🤗

Come on, you have answered to the point and I like how you have explained it.

Thanks for giving your viewpoints Siya. ❤❤

Originally posted by: notaquitter

she did not want to get married that I feel for sure. I think she was not in the frame of mind . She was not thinking far into the future. At the point she didn’t want to be dependent or a bhoj on anyone.

Completely agree.

But seeing that people she considered family did not volunteer to take care of her, she has to let go of her pride and self respect and chose Virat. Another reason being her father trusted him with the responsibility while he could have easily given the responsibility to anyone else/

Again, I agree.

@bold very much, you have rightly pointed it out.

she basically didn’t want to be dependent or a bhoj on anyone. She considered herself independent that now that her world shifted , she couldn’t think straight.

Exactly, my thoughts too.

@bold rightly pointed

she was not being calculative or anything.

👏👏👏

And she did try to dissuade Virat honestly because she could sense that there was someone in Virat’s life and also he was basically a stranger . She didn’t want to be a burden being passed on to an unwilling recipient. Her asking him to back out was like testing waters and giving an opportunity for Virat to back out and also see if he was really okay with the decision

You have not just given your viewpont, have explained it well as well 👏👏

@bold I love your "unwilling recipient" word. Thar is who Sai is and that is how she will think it as, will not want to be a burden.

@italics you are right in observing that she gave him an opportunity and also wanted to see what he wanted. His will was also her concern.

Thanks for giving your viewpoints. Have replied in green. ❤❤