Career oriented ambitious women

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Posted: 5 years ago
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Shaurya feels Anokhi is a social climber who is using her innocence as facade and moving through life. He feels that Anokhi first gave him attention and when he finally started falling for her and did her bidding saving her multiple times she owed him something. He went beresk when she gave attention to ACP which was bestowed upon him and was his exclusive right. He feels she used him for emotional support and when her work was done she moved on to ACP. He kind of said the same thing to Astha that you loved me till I was needed and then you discarded me in a dustbin when you didn't need me any longer. He genuinely believes that a career woman can only be successful if she successfully manipulates the Men in position of Power. He considers himself as one too. It was jealousy yes partly but it was much rooted complex prejudice against working woman. In Shaurya’s mind woman are of two kinds the small town home makers like Gayatri and Kanchan and they are good and then there are evil social leapers like Astha and Anokhi who claim they are independent self made women yet needs a man to do their bidding by controlling them. Point being ACP in Anokhi's case and Shaan in Astha's case. That's why he said I won't fall for this scam. He thinks he is better and stronger than ACP or his father who gets easily manipulated by such girls. He hates that Anokhi always flinch when he touches her with decent intentions, always trying to her off his hand while she is complacent with ACP's casual touch with wrong intention and Anokhi is fine with that just for the sake of her advantage.


Feel free to add and point out on points I have missed about his prejudice against Ambitious Women.

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Posted: 5 years ago
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His words against Aastha were harsh and yes he implied the same thing when he saw her at the hospital and said her expensive bills and medical care are being provided for. He thought she came back to Shaan to seek financial help. And uses Shaan to his advantage without really loving him. Since it was Aastha, it was less impactful because of his eq with his parents but equally hurtful thoughts.


now he targets Anokhi with his hateful venomous words but he’s been saying the same thing or having similar thoughts for Aastha for some time now.


It’s really very sad and hurtful and this sort of thinking is ingrained and hard to change

When it comes to women, he sees things very black or white. Good or bad. At least when it’s women who r close to him. Or family members.


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Posted: 5 years ago
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Yes, part of his issue with Anokhi is that her ideals stem from her mam. If her mam is her guru, then she must be like her (in his mind). Hence, she's an attention seeker willing to go to any extent to climb up the ladder. However, in his clouded brain, he didn't think that his mom actually left all the social and financial bliss to live in a small town and work there. If she indeed was a social climber, she would have never left Saberwal house.

Additionally, bbecause of the help and attention he gave her, he feels that he has this sense of power over her. I also think this is a classic power struggle issue. He is in a dominant position and she is this beautiful girl who he has the pleasure to go help and save. He feels a sense of entitlement over this. Hence, he mentions it over and over again that she always lands in trouble and needs people's (his) help to come out of it. I liked her comeback that if she is in trouble, why is he always there where she is? What need is it for him to be her savior? Why does he do it if he feels like she does things on purpose? Power. The feeling he gets over having that sense of control and power over her. It's sick, but it's true.

When he saw the power being snatched by another, according to him, powerful man. He lashed. In his sense of entitlement, he think's she is his. His to touch, his to scold, his to help, his to whatever. I actually think he thinks she likes him. The nuances portrayed when she stops him from leaving and holds his hand. He takes 5 seconds to look at her hold. Why? He's using those hugs and touches as her advances. I won't be surprised if he genuinely feels she approached him for intentions to entice him. Why would he say that!? Because in his mind, he feels! So he thinks, she must also feel the same. It's so evident with his "itni bholi ban ne ki khoshish mat karo jaise tumhe kuch nahi pata".

People's words are a reflection of them than of the people they speak about or things they talk about. His entire convo was around sl*t shaming her yesterday and using powerful men to climb up the ladder - in fact, i think that's an extension of what he is telling himself - he is trying to convince himself that she should have no problem to be with him bc he is rich, despite being older because when they crossed each other's personal space, she wanted it as well (i.e. his "dont pretend like you dont know anything", "dont call me sir", etc) ..

So many messages highlighted in one go. So many issues women go through is highlighted from that entire convo: if a women is ambitious and reaching up the ladder, people question "how did she do it? boss se chakkar hain kya?" but the same people wont question men's career heights, they will say "he's so hard working". If a women is friendly w other men, "iska character loose hain, har kisi ko touch aur ache se baat/flirt karti hain" but if a man does it "take it easy, he's just being helpful and friendly".

IDK how Shaurya will be redeemed after this..and you know he may not be. We may just see him realizing how wrong he was and how sorry he is. He may genuinely promise to never say these things or think such things again and he may actually never repeat his mistake. If he consistently repeats the same mistake by characterizing her, the show and Shaurya is lost for me. However, if he learns, that's progress and that is the progress we seek in the society. We can't undo what is done, but we have the power to change and to change others. Shaurya will be redeemed if he stops another man from making the same mistake or saying the same things he said ...

Unfortunately, many "ache dil ke" men still hold this soch, problem is no one tells them they are wrong or points out their mistake to learn. Even I know such men who used to think such way but have long overcome that mentality. They aren't proud of such thinking they used to hold and admit that, but to see them now with their new version - is promising to witness and be around.

Edited by prs_725 - 5 years ago
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Posted: 5 years ago
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He hates that Anokhi always flinch when he touches her with decent intentions, always trying to her off his hand while she is complacent with ACP's casual touch with wrong intention and Anokhi is fine with that just for the sake of her advantage. @:- bold :-

Even i feel like.. this is making shaurya more and more frustrated ! Anokhi shaurya ko mahino se janti hein...shaurya agar help karne ke liye bhi chu le woh jhatka mar deti hein haath

But acp ko bas 3-4 bar mili hein and that stupid just touch her anytimes...kabhi haat clean karta hein..to kal pani pila raha tha...but usse mouka chahiye anokhi ko chune ka! (I dont knwo if his intentions are clear...or not! But) abhi nas 2-3ar milne se koun bar bar aisa karta hein? And he's actually being over friendly with her professionalism ko goli marke! Even yesterday's epi he's keep saying "anokhi ji aap kehti hein to maan leta hun" why? Where's your professionalism acp? Shaurya bhi to bol raha tha na bas usko bas anokhi ki kehne se pari thi.. even though yesterday even anokhi said sir ap shaurya sir ki fir le lo.


And then point number 1 :- another thing is i felt like its a build up of all these last 3 weeks anokhi jo shaurya ko non stop bashed karti gayi MU se. And shaurya ki achcchayi ko ignore karti gayi...banda abh aur le nahi paya ! To bas blust ho gaya!


Point number 2 :- Anokhi ne shaurya ke samne kaal acp ko bola ap kitne acche hein..aap madad karte hein blah blah blah! Girl that's his duty! Tum kyu uska kaam hein kisika bhi madad karna!

But what about shaurya? Shaurya helped her with that bubly and vineet matter on Vday! Then shaurya helped her with goons! ( ladki ne astha ko kya bola jake? Ki shayed mam unhe laga koyi aur hein is liye aye madad karne! Matlab usne shaurya ko itna negatively liya hein ki usse lagta hein agar shaurya janta ki gari mein anokhi hein to nahi jata madad karne!) Usne shaurya ki yeh sari help ko let go kardiya bas negativity ko pakad ke beith gayi! That bubly matter usko to jaise usne hawa mein hi uraa diya!


Point number 3 :- riot part par! Even though she didn't know it was shaurya who saved her. But when he went to meet her in that hospital room tabhi usne ek bar nahi pucha aap thik hein? (Areh agar main ek stranger ki saatb aise jagah phas jati to main to uss stranger ko bhi punchti) ulta usne waha par bhi shaurya ko suna diya


Matlab every single time usne shaurya ki genuine care ko uraa diya and bas uski galtiya hi pakad beithi rahi. And acp ki 🙃 aur kya kahu


Not gonna talk about that prejudice part ...coz i have mixed feelings about it. Bcz of his past and devis upbringing meri soch kuch aur hein uske yeh working women ko leke jo soch hein.

So i just said about the jealously part and todays out burst part!

Edited by mahiaana - 5 years ago
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Posted: 5 years ago
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I am too much shocked today and it is as if history repeating itself in real life.I hv faced so much prejudice from my in laws specially father in law and husband because I don't fit in traditional avatar of a wife.This is so real and as a working woman most if the times I hv heard people whispering about me so many times.Anyway I am so strong that I changed my husbands soch.but still it is difficult for woman like me and anokhi

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Posted: 5 years ago
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Exactly!

Even after she left he said "Meri soch kharab hai, khud ki harkate nahi dekhi".

He expected Anokhi to tell ACP off. But she didn't. She was comfortable with him. Instead , she had begin to tell him off. She refuses to sit in his car but she enters ACP's easily. She flinched when he touched her ,but she was very easy going with ACP touching her. (Again he proved this thought of his by saying " oh tumhe mere touch se problem hai? Honi nahi chaiye", while she only flinched cause he touched her injury).

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Posted: 5 years ago
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So what if women do it ? It doesn't make them lose character. Probably A good charactered woman will wear ghoonghat and do maid jobs ,not talk to strangers and have some kind of esp to read his emotions.



His problem is not working women, he doesn't respect anyone outside his family zone , wo bhi his family is making a fool out of him. He lost all respect frm me today.👎🏼

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Posted: 5 years ago
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No excuses for Shaurya today. He crossed all limits by talking to Anokhi in that hateful manner. If he is jealous, let him keep it to himself, get miserable, stay away from Anokhi, be distant, whatever, but he does not have the right to insult her in that cringeworthy fashion.

If Shaurya’s problem with women stems from his insecurities then he needs to deal with it, not let off venom at Anokhi. He has no relationship with Anokhi except as her Professor. So what if Anokhi is closer to Ahir? That is her prerogative, if she has fallen for the ACP, that is her business. She has not fallen for Ahir, we know that. But if Anokhi has fallen in love with Ahir, that is a matter of derision and gold digging to Shaurya? He needs to keep his nose out of who she likes and what she does. If he can sort out his own feelings for Anokhi and woo her, that is another matter. But to ask her to play the wild card and humiliate her by asking which card would she use, marriage or affair, was a bit too too much. I am glad Anokhi punched him and pushed him. He deserves that and more. And I liked Shaan’s telling his son off saying he was ashamed of Shaurya and that Shaurya was the one who was gattiya.

Edited by soapwatcher1 - 5 years ago
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Posted: 5 years ago
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Originally posted by: mahiaana

He hates that Anokhi always flinch when he touches her with decent intentions, always trying to her off his hand while she is complacent with ACP's casual touch with wrong intention and Anokhi is fine with that just for the sake of her advantage. @:- bold :-

Even i feel like.. this is making shaurya more and more frustrated ! Anokhi shaurya ko mahino se janti hein...shaurya agar help karne ke liye bhi chu le woh jhatka mar deti hein haath

But acp ko bas 3-4 bar mili hein and that stupid just touch her anytimes...kabhi haat clean karta hein..to kal pani pila raha tha...but usse mouka chahiye anokhi ko chune ka! (I dont knwo if his intentions are clear...or not! But) abhi nas 2-3ar milne se koun bar bar aisa karta hein? And he's actually being over friendly with her professionalism ko goli marke! Even yesterday's epi he's keep saying "anokhi ji aap kehti hein to maan leta hun" why? Where's your professionalism acp? Shaurya bhi to bol raha tha na bas usko bas anokhi ki kehne se pari thi.. even though yesterday even anokhi said sir ap shaurya sir ki fir le lo.


And then point number 1 :- another thing is i felt like its a build up of all these last 3 weeks anokhi jo shaurya ko non stop bashed karti gayi MU se. And shaurya ki achcchayi ko ignore karti gayi...banda abh aur le nahi paya ! To bas blust ho gaya!


Point number 2 :- Anokhi ne shaurya ke samne kaal acp ko bola ap kitne acche hein..aap madad karte hein blah blah blah! Girl that's his duty! Tum kyu uska kaam hein kisika bhi madad karna!

But what about shaurya? Shaurya helped her with that bubly and vineet matter on Vday! Then shaurya helped her with goons! ( ladki ne astha ko kya bola jake? Ki shayed mam unhe laga koyi aur hein is liye aye madad karne! Matlab usne shaurya ko itna negatively liya hein ki usse lagta hein agar shaurya janta ki gari mein anokhi hein to nahi jata madad karne!) Usne shaurya ki yeh sari help ko let go kardiya bas negativity ko pakad ke beith gayi! That bubly matter usko to jaise usne hawa mein hi uraa diya!


Point number 3 :- riot part par! Even though she didn't know it was shaurya who saved her. But when he went to meet her in that hospital room tabhi usne ek bar nahi pucha aap thik hein? (Areh agar main ek stranger ki saatb aise jagah phas jati to main to uss stranger ko bhi punchti) ulta usne waha par bhi shaurya ko suna diya


Matlab every single time usne shaurya ki genuine care ko uraa diya and bas uski galtiya hi pakad beithi rahi. And acp ki 🙃 aur kya kahu


Not gonna talk about that prejudice part ...coz i have mixed feelings about it. Bcz of his past and devis upbringing meri soch kuch aur hein uske yeh working women ko leke jo soch hein.

So i just said about the jealously part and todays out burst part!

his frustration for being misunderstood and ignored may be coming from jealousy part but the choice and way of expressing it would stem from some innate prejudices against career women
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Posted: 5 years ago
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Originally posted by: ruchi3179

I am too much shocked today and it is as if history repeating itself in real life.I hv faced so much prejudice from my in laws specially father in law and husband because I don't fit in traditional avatar of a wife.This is so real and as a working woman most if the times I hv heard people whispering about me so many times.Anyway I am so strong that I changed my husbands soch.but still it is difficult for woman like me and anokhi

I really emphasize with your situation and am so glad you finally managed to overcome those prejudices. Prejudices are not some irrational thoughts one develops except their bases are sometimes unfounded sometimes are justified from previous experiences which can only be overcome by showing the way leading by example and changing someone's mind with your actions. The point is if you really want to make thar effort for someone or not. If they are worth your efforts or love to change their thinking. Good thing you decided it was 😊

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