Kuch pa kar khona hai, kuch kho kar pana hai.. - Page 4

Originally posted by: linakusharberry

Well awesome Analysis janki loved it ,

Waiseh bhabhi ki beizzati list mein ek aur beizzati added kya javab diya devi tai neh 😆

Chalo shivani bua and Mansi bua did said something against this kaku mandali ,

Pakhi is just impossible her only motive is to bring down sai on her knees and get her kicked out ,but she should remember onething her so called achi badi mami doesn't care a damn about her , all her badi mami care is so callled naam khoon khandaan izzat blah blah .

Waiseh now iam sure all the 4 kids were brought up by ashwini aai only the pain on her face knowing what her daughter have gone through was visible , and iam glad atleast one beta was there during this entire fiasco , dusra abhi tak bhel Patra leke kyom nahi aya kaham ghum hogayi ACP sahab apki baiko ghar mein hai woh bhi all ready to fight another battle to reunite to lovebirds separated by your viscious family opps ur so called dil ke ache logh , waiseh we know sai khatron ki khiladi hai but she should have waited for him to arrive before jumping into the situation with devi tai , he really have the right to know what his so called family did to his sister , chalo kal dekhneh ko milega what is his stand , how devi tai gonna react , I hope she recognises pulkit warna aai ki band bajaddega kaku mandali

Well onething I forget to say is I simply love the bond sai shared with devi tai , just like soul sisters , waiseh aaj sai neh devi tai ek wish poori kiya , devi tai always wanna get dressed up by sai loh iccha poori kiya sai neh

It does look like that. And in Devyani's case, we know that it is really only Ashwini who has been with Devyani right from feeding her to cajoling her through these years until Sai came in. Ashwini is the real mother to Devyani-- more than Bhavani.

Originally posted by: notaquitter

Brilliant take on the episode Janki!

I really hope when Virat comes into the picture he doesn’t behave similar to the alta incident and just react without gathering all the information.

I don’t know why he had to be out when such an important fight is happening in the house. Was it just to make a hero entry ? Or my gut says it’s to paint Sai in a bad light without getting the complete picture. Because now there is a fall back option if he goes wrong saying he didn’t know the whole story.

Let’s see what tomorrow brings to light. They can’t keep him out of the house for longer

I guess it was to build tension before he arrives, also as Meghna (@msin) has mentioned in one post and it makes sense, the Chakrams wouldn't have had the guts to speak about assault and battery on Pulkit or say a lot of things that they said in Virat's presence. The secret, more than anyone else, is kept from the sons of the family -- so that they don't turn rebellious or think low of the elders, that's what I feel. So in Virat's presence, they would have probably just turned the tables and told him some cock and bull yarn, which they will do anyway.

Real reason, of course, is because Sai is the heroine-ee and had to jump into fire all alone. 😆

Originally posted by: Svt611

Amazing amazing!! I wrote in EDT that I will watch episode after jankis analysis so now I will go and watch aaram se!!

Thank you Janki!!!


Also, the teacher teacher scene you spoke about reminded me of the welcome movie scene where the lawyer comes running to talk about the shady business of Uday Shetty in front of the family for his sisters wedding!!! 😂😂😂😂😂

Kuch waisa hi hal tha didi ka, excitement mein room ka mood check karna bhool gayi!!!!

Kal se, I will call out to you for those specific moments 🤣🤣 Didi's daud and her virtual fall and Bhavani's "Tu" was the highlight of the day. Didi ke tote udd gaye thay. Badi aayi thi class monitor banne, she told Sai, "Badi Mami ko tum jawab dena", khud hi interrogation chair pe gir gayi 😆 but this is a shortlived joy because Bhavani will pawn her in to messing up the situation

Originally posted by: jane_austen

Awesome post Janki...❤️

Your comparison of Devyani's condition to honour killing is so apt. How will Virat react to this dark family secret (of dil-ke-ache-log) - will it be so hard to accept that he will go into denial and blame or will he finally see his family for what they are?

I guess when he eventually sees the truth, once Devyani has settled in with Pulkit and also the presence of the child, which no one seems to know as of now, he will obviously believe it. It is always difficult to accept that the family you have been idolising can be 'wrong'. Children even feel disconnected from their parents as they grow up and see different perspectives of life that the parents can't. So yahan toh, there is crime involved. It won't be easy for him.

We keep discussing on why Sai has been so impulsive and impatient. Aren't these the trademarks of young blood? All revolutions in history were made by the young and reckless, never by the old and cautious. Millions of young people have given up their lives for the sake of justice.

No doubt her action is extremely risky - Pulkit could be a cad (may be she trusts her instincts?) or Devyani's mental state could deteriorate due to shock (ignorance coming from her young age?)

But Pulkit - what was the need to 'out' Sai?😕

I think both Sai and Pulkit's lack of patience and prudence is questionable. It took them barely a few minutes to decide that they were going to jump into it without even gathering enough evidence to prove the family wrong -- to leave no loose ends. Revolutions are one thing but this is a matter of life and death for someone. What beats me is that despite knowing the capability of the family, Pulkit could not use his patience --i understand his feeling but he has already experienced the wrath once. And Sai can visibly see that Bhavani is up to tricks and could go to any lengths because Devyani has been mentioning harm. She will ultimately be hailed but this imprudence is going to also cost them dear.

Different takes (by forum wasis) on why Sai is risking her relationship by not involving Virat :-

Is she a child-woman who doesn't understand the nuances of marital relationship? (@Itelidevara)

From what I understood of Lakshmi's (@Itelidevara) take was to say how marriage is not her priority right now. She is a child-woman in the sense that she's in that phase where she is not 'ready' for a relationship with a man. In normal circumstances, if Kamal Joshi was alive, she would have only been a student. The marriage happened without a plan. She was thrown into it. She can't help but continue to have the same kind of approach-- she doesn't understand the romantic jalebis because she wasn't looking for romance to begin with but then she is possessive about Virat and does understand what a basic "husband-wife" relationship is. She has not yet reached a point where this relationship would matter to her more than any other in the world. She feels she has other goals that are bigger and better for her. Plus the vaadas and the pre-conditions added to the 'deal' marriage- she will continue to take at face value unless explicitly revoked.

Somewhere in the back of her mind, does she not trust Virat's ability to handle/confront this painful truth - so better to show him direct proof rather than prod him to seek it? (forgot who wrote this point)

I don't think it is about his ability or trust. She just wants to resolve the whole thing alone and put it out to the family. If she had doubted his ability, she wouldn't have asked him if he would 'take any suggested route' to cure Devi. But it is more of her Sai Joshi blood that is just making her go at it. I don't think she's spared any thought for letting Virat know, so we can't really say she doesn't trust him to confront. She probably wanted to gather the whole facts and put it out before the family so that they don't deny but right now, they have both acted impulsively.

Or has the whole 'domestic-abuse' left her wary? She has forgiven him, yes but is she ready to trust him enough to let him in (as a husband)? Is her recklessness in her relationship coming from a sub-conscious lack of trust? (@Sairat)

I read Priyanshi's post yesterday and even replied there. The issue is the miscommunication more than the trust. I have been saying this right from the beginning -- she trusts him like she trusts no one else. If not, she wouldn't be sharing a bed with him. It is a very big sign of trust. So, it is not that she is not willing to trust him as a husband-- but she doesn't know that she can call him 'husband' in their private space. They have joked about it but she has also passed it off as a joke. In public, they use the pati patni words only to shut people up when they are being questioned by those who shouldn't. It is really the 'deal' and her assumption that he still has 'love' for Vahini, combined with his silence that has made her guard her fort so far. She did let the guard down after the Alta sequence and they built some happy moments together but the Ladakh fiasco ruined it. Now, they have just reconciled and this drama has taken place. We haven't seen their private interaction (Except the car parking) yet after his really big declaration that he will leave the house with her. So let's see if she has gauged his 'feeling' from his apology and his statement to the family.

Or simply hell with logic - age-old FL has to be sacrificial lamb

Wo toh hai hi... it all boils down to that. TV soaps are meant for women and the adrenaline rush can happen only when the female lead is 'winning'. And for her to win, she has to become the underdog at some point na?

Originally posted by: asmi_joya

Beautiful post Janki... I love your writings..Like I mentioned the other day.. since i started watching the show pretty late I have gone back and started re-reading your posts along with re-watching the show.

Oh that is such a compliment. Thank you so much! ❤️🤗

Coming back to the episode haven't seen it but analyzing it from whatever you have mentioned. I am glad that Ashwini did not know about the mistreatment done to Devyani and Pulkit. I would have totally disconnected with her character then. Finally they gave a dialogue to Shivani Bua and Mansi Bua probably has been brought in for this dialogue only. I dont think Virat can be manipulated even if was not there because team Sai (Ashwini and Shivani) were also there. However if creatives go through amnesia and really want to go with the illogical stuffs with Virat being manipulated by the Mast-ha-Mast Clan without any pakka saboot, that is other thing.

Sai for me is absolutely wrong right now ..keeping into consideration what happened early this morning..

Sai was totally wrong day before as well.. Had Virat not done the hand grabbing thing and denial of food, it was Sai who was entirely wrong. And she is yet to apologize. Her behavior with Virat was not justified at all. Day before(the night fight regarding Ladakh trip) it was but not on Sunday. She was upset with the family and with Virat because of the Ladakh issue and I do give her a benefit of doubt there for being unleashed with Virat, it was all a pent up reaction. Still when things were calm Virat owed and apology because of how she behaved before going to PD sir's place.

Also what she has done now is also upsetting.. without talking to Virat or even giving him a hint she has pulled in Pulkit. If we look at Pulkit's story from Sai's angle, she has just heard one side. There could be many possibilities where Kaku might have been right in not letting Pulkit be with Devi and Devi exactly doesnt remember he is vile. I am not saying this is true, but from Sai's perspective this could be one angle. She is too impulsive and thats where I find her a bit immature, rigid and also I am always right and know it all. The way she dismissed Aai's concern on her marriage is something I did not like, after Virat's stance in front of his whole family earlier that day. At this moment Virat is making more efforts in the marriage and looks more attached to Sai. For Sai it's still a deal and if doesn't work till its "expiry date", its not her problem.

I agree with you about the fact that she's gone into this without waiting for him even now. Almost all of us agree on that...

@bold: It is true. She is the one who's 'feeling' in the marriage is not yet as strong as Virat's because her feeling is actually a reaction to Virat's conditions put before her. He has not communicated to her that he has removed those conditions. So even though she is touched by his caring gestures and she can see his efforts too, she is confused because from her perspective, he's doing it out of his good nature and not because he 'loves' her. She will continue to believe that until he replaces the zimmedari word with 'patni' not parivaar (because even vahini is parivaar) and 'farz' with 'pyaar'. It is sad that she feels that way but she can't be blamed for it entirely. She is at an age where she cannot read in between his profound lines -- and yes, she doesn't know if she should make assumptions either. But their next private interaction will actually tell us whether his declaration of leaving the house with her has made her change her perspective.

Also, I realised you asked a question on one of my previous posts about her sexual harassment. Yes, she was sexually harassed by Jagtap since she was 15, we have been told. He abducted her, confined her illegally, was about to forcefully marry her, molested her and even threatened her with marital rape. So, she has not really had a normal adolescence, crushing over boys. A lot of her indifference to the relationship also comes from her self-conditioning to maintain the distance from men, that is what I think. So while she's comfortable with Virat, she trusts him enough to share his private room and bed, there are walls that exist because of her past experiences too, in addition to the walls she has built to avoid her heart from breaking after a man who supposedly loves another woman. I would love to see her story in detail as they begin to come physically closer- her hesitation or not and how she reacts to the 'romantic' closeness whenever they reach that point. It will be a slow progress, I think.

Originally posted by: Saichintalli

janaki, as always apki analysis is so good. before anything i really want to salute ashwini aai,yaar.... ithni saal she lived in that toxic environment without any support but didn't let anyone affect her good heart, hats off to her..... the way she looked at devi all dressed up, only a true mother can do that. I believe the mother is not the one who gives birth but the one who gives her life, values, and her everything for the children, today her tears are the proof that she is the real mother of all children of Chavan niwas... I bet at her young age ashwini would have been exactly like sai with more majboori.

except for this, I have nothing to add but I have a small question. Hamara class monitor is so blinded with jealousy that she can't even see the difference between right and wrong... but if sai is not there and actually virat got married to pakhi, then do you think pakhi will stand by shivani, mohit and devyani in respective situations.... I am really confused, sometimes she seems soft to them (like smiling at devi-aai bond in alta episode, soft tone towards mohit during sanyasi drama other day after that insult) and at same time she stands against them when sai is supporting them, is she really blinded by jealousy or is her character is to ignore the situations around her... janaki can you please clarify this question? if anone else can answer this, please your welcome.

@bold: I think some of us have discussed this at various points and it would be great if people can share their views.

I think Patralekha is not a match for Virat in terms of value systems -- she doesn't have one. Even if they were married, she would have brought out her best side as the 'bahu' but only for display. She would have been the chaheeti in all sense and enjoyed all the perks she has even now as a bahu along with the romance in the bedroom and the control on Virat that she doesn't have as of now. How she would have behaved with Shivani, Mohit or Devyani can be deduced from the way she behaves with Ashwini even now -- the mother of the man she claims to love. She has no respect for Ashwini. Patralekha never loved Virat. If she did, she would not have been okay with him offering to give up on his life for her to marry Samrat. She would not have been anguished that he chose to live his life instead of living up to the promise of burning in fire of jealousy that she was another man's wife. She would have been the perfect trophy wife-- without any ideals, who would still be siding with the power centre to appear to be "susheel" in the eyes of the family. Her 'softness' for any family member is only until the point she has to choose to side with Bhavani. That is only for display. The moment she reaches a point where she must cross over and question Bhavani to truly support the cause of justice, she backs out. That is not really being 'soft' or 'good'. She has been raised to be outwardly perfect and it is clear that her parents have failed to instill the sense of right and wrong and how to deal with loss and pain gracefully. I don't think she would have been any less possessive of Virat than she is now, she would have probably prevented him from doing a lot of things that could upset her 'reputation' as the perfect bahu, instead of being the force behind him that Sai is.

Originally posted by: jankiraghav

It does look like that. And in Devyani's case, we know that it is really only Ashwini who has been with Devyani right from feeding her to cajoling her through these years until Sai came in. Ashwini is the real mother to Devyani-- more than Bhavani.

Originally posted by: jankiraghav

@bold: I think some of us have discussed this at various points and it would be great if people can share their views.

I think Patralekha is not a match for Virat in terms of value systems -- she doesn't have one. Even if they were married, she would have brought out her best side as the 'bahu' but only for display. She would have been the chaheeti in all sense and enjoyed all the perks she has even now as a bahu along with the romance in the bedroom and the control on Virat that she doesn't have as of now. How she would have behaved with Shivani, Mohit or Devyani can be deduced from the way she behaves with Ashwini even now -- the mother of the man she claims to love. She has no respect for Ashwini. Patralekha never loved Virat. If she did, she would not have been okay with him offering to give up on his life for her to marry Samrat. She would not have been anguished that he chose to live his life instead of living up to the promise of burning in fire of jealousy that she was another man's wife. She would have been the perfect trophy wife-- without any ideals, who would still be siding with the power centre to appear to be "susheel" in the eyes of the family. Her 'softness' for any family member is only until the point she has to choose to side with Bhavani. That is only for display. The moment she reaches a point where she must cross over and question Bhavani to truly support the cause of justice, she backs out. That is not really being 'soft' or 'good'. She has been raised to be outwardly perfect and it is clear that her parents have failed to instill the sense of right and wrong and how to deal with loss and pain gracefully. I don't think she would have been any less possessive of Virat than she is now, she would have probably prevented him from doing a lot of things that could upset her 'reputation' as the perfect bahu, instead of being the force behind him that Sai is.

First of all thank you so much for answering

@bold this is what even I believe and the first reason I hate her...

@ red , yes even I think it's not jelousy towards sai that blinding her from supporting right but it's the importance Kaku is giving her.

@ green... I think she would have been jelous of family members and would have behaved crazily if anyone stopped her from going out with virat.

Originally posted by: methebest

Lots of Love Janaki, for making heavy episodes easy to digest🤗

Thank you dear ❤️❤️

Kishoriji plays the ruthless matriarch of the family with such an ease. Her body language of arrogance, dominance and pride with the expressions of looking at everyone else like they are filth, makes you hate her. But appreciate her as an actress!!

I concur. The entire ensemble of the family has decent actors. Each one is a performer in their own roles, even Omkar and Karishma are totally in character. And Kishori, of course, owns the screen as Bhavani. There is no doubt about that. The smugness and the pride of a typical Maharashtrian matriarch are there. What also lends authenticity is that most of them are Maharashtrians so they also come across as real in portraying the culture, unlike many shows where the actors don't understand the cultural ethos and it comes across as just a fake accent for the effect.

You weren't alone in that. I laughed so hard too. I was drinking water and God is the witness that it made me spray it on my screen! I watched that scene over and over to see if I could understand why I was laughing every time, but no idea. I was so heavy hearted due to the content of the episode, till the point didi walked in, but then I burst out laughing every time. Such a superb cast where even Karishma and Usha mausi give great performance for their role, but I fail to connect to this character. I don't understand her performance. May be I am failing as a viewer or May be the actress has the unique technique of portraying tragedy in to comedy. I guess she could excel in horror comedies, like Stree or something.

Oh dear! I hope your screen is fine 🤣🤣 I really did watch that scene multiple times too, just to see how she came into the hall so thrilled and totally not bothered about the sky that had fallen on their heads 🤣 Her focus was Sai ki pitai karao 🤣 I don't want to comment on her acting skills -- but there is a lot to be desired. 🥱

Not only the character of Ashwini is so wonderful, but the actress portraying is such a fine artist. I was amazed how she changed her expressions looking at both her daughters, Pride for Sai and Pain for Devi. Take a bow with big

Ashwini is natural. Like I mentioned above, the fact that they belong to the culture they are portraying adds to the effect. I love that typical Marathi accent in which she delivers her Hindi dialogues, her mannerisms and some of her trademark expressions in happy moments are typically what Marathi moms do. 😆

To me Mansi was the biggest surprise of the day. I was like "huh... she spoke", I never knew what her opinion is in this house. Never knew whom she sides with or what kind of conscience she has, but the one liner is better than nothing, so I will take it!!

Mansi was paisa vasool today 🤣 Next appearance happening when Samrat re-enters 🤣

This was heart warming scene. Sai understands the intimate details about the relation of husband and wife. She understood that attraction is a big part of it and Devi shoudl look her best to meet her husband after a long separation. I feel ITV fails to show husbands witnessing such scenes. I think if Virat had witnessed this scene between Sai and Devi, their relation would have reached another level with that moment. However, episodes kaise banenge fir?

I know na, how she knows one must dress up -- it reminds me how she had actually dressed up the evening Virat had video-called her to have dinner together (which never happened 😒) She actually changed from her college outfit, which she usually never does and chose one of her best dresses for that evening. So, it's not that she doesn't know what it takes to build a relationship but they are both in such a complicated space.

Totally loved what she did/is doing for Devyani -- she was God sent to answer Devyani's unsaid prayers. As they say, when the crime reaches a point of limit, God descends on Earth in some form.

Originally posted by: jankiraghav

@bold: I think some of us have discussed this at various points and it would be great if people can share their views.

I think Patralekha is not a match for Virat in terms of value systems -- she doesn't have one. Even if they were married, she would have brought out her best side as the 'bahu' but only for display. She would have been the chaheeti in all sense and enjoyed all the perks she has even now as a bahu along with the romance in the bedroom and the control on Virat that she doesn't have as of now. How she would have behaved with Shivani, Mohit or Devyani can be deduced from the way she behaves with Ashwini even now -- the mother of the man she claims to love. She has no respect for Ashwini. Patralekha never loved Virat. If she did, she would not have been okay with him offering to give up on his life for her to marry Samrat. She would not have been anguished that he chose to live his life instead of living up to the promise of burning in fire of jealousy that she was another man's wife. She would have been the perfect trophy wife-- without any ideals, who would still be siding with the power centre to appear to be "susheel" in the eyes of the family. Her 'softness' for any family member is only until the point she has to choose to side with Bhavani. That is only for display. The moment she reaches a point where she must cross over and question Bhavani to truly support the cause of justice, she backs out. That is not really being 'soft' or 'good'. She has been raised to be outwardly perfect and it is clear that her parents have failed to instill the sense of right and wrong and how to deal with loss and pain gracefully. I don't think she would have been any less possessive of Virat than she is now, she would have probably prevented him from doing a lot of things that could upset her 'reputation' as the perfect bahu, instead of being the force behind him that Sai is.

PLUS she would have never understood his job. I can imagine her asking him to make her the number one priority over his job . She would calling him 24x7 which she did during the GC days