Epi 187: Give and Take - Page 35

Originally posted by: phoenix27

why are we so hell bent on the fact that vansh should know everything, he is not written as god as far as i know ? Why we can't we see kabir winning once and while ? till now i couldn't find even one goal which kabir has been able to achieve. still we keep saying kabir is always winning. where the hell kabir is winning

Nobody expects him to know everything but the point here is he is clueless about a lot of things. As far as the victory goes, till now Vansh won a lot of times because of sheer coincidence and luck - not because of his planning, which doesn't suit his character. It's not about knowing everything and winning everytime but rather the justice that needs to be done to the character of Vansh, the consistency. This is the same guy who gave Aryan some hours to prove his innocence (transmitter scene initial episodes) even when he knew Aryan wasn't to be blamed and here he is aware that Aryan is with Kabir and he is letting him go scott free.

Originally posted by: Nephy

Ok...I agree but someone changing diamonds from his room,him going without plan,and being on mercy on someone else even his enemy is also not his character for me...he can't be dumb also.

Secondly I was talking about something which we discussed previously and it was not giving intentionally someone fake diamonds and be tagged as betrayer....it was like being his plan all along regarding taking down chang as he came to know being chang betraying him in this deal or him being planned already with chang to trap kabir...which obviously not happened but I said in that context...we actually at that time had very discussions which Abby may still be aware so I just took cntext and mentioned to her.

Chang was not betrayer. he came to make deal but vansh failed in the deal that's why he attacked them. He was not prepared for him being the betrayer in the deal. and he really didn't asked kabir to save his life. he would have happily accepted his death. though after seeing ridhima's condition he did feel indebted of kabir as till that point he never realized his death can have such devastating effect on someone. till that moment he has only seen danger as part of the process and he knew his family has always been ready for such situations.

Originally posted by: Neha_J

Nobody expects him to know everything but the point here is he is clueless about a lot of things. As far as the victory goes, till now Vansh won a lot of times because of sheer coincidence and luck - not because of his planning, which doesn't suit his character. It's not about knowing everything and winning everytime but rather the justice that needs to be done to the character of Vansh, the consistency. This is the same guy who gave Aryan some hours to prove his innocence (transmitter scene initial episodes) even when he knew Aryan wasn't to be blamed and here he is aware that Aryan is with Kabir and he is letting him go scott free.

how does vansh being able to manipulate ridhima into believing that it was kabir's parent instead of his parent is sheer luck. how is him making sure that even if ridhima reach juvenile centre and get the file she never get the real paper sheer luck ? how him implicating anupriya sheer luck?

Originally posted by: Nephy

Hmm...I agree seriously I also now wishing that someone made that Mamta lady sit down and ask what is she thinking....?

We need some answers if not onscreen let it be offscreen...

Hmm yaar holding on thats why here but also frustrated😅

How much expectations we had from dimond deal and ironically they had even a necklace also which could be used to show it a Vansh plan but again we overestimated them than their capabilities🤣

Don't know what they are planning but I'm liking this sensitive issue being talked about. But they should make sure both V and R speak then only things will get better. It's not about the brining a new track, it's all about how you execute that track.

Originally posted by: Roudy1

I agree 💯

That's why I said temporarily it is fine because I feel that is humanly nature, considering the situation is linked with emotional attachment but I do agree ur point because keeping in mind who vansh is this is unacceptable.

Exactly. Even for temporarily also VR cannot do that. Trust from his side for Kabir is not an easy thing to do. Then why?

Better makes at least give answers to those things which are necessary that we get.

Originally posted by: phoenix27

Chang was not betrayer. he came to make deal but vansh failed in the deal that's why he attacked them. He was not prepared for him being the betrayer in the deal. and he really didn't asked kabir to save his life. he would have happily accepted his death. though after seeing ridhima's condition he did feel indebted of kabir as till that point he never realized his death can have such devastating effect on someone. till that moment he has only seen danger as part of the process and he knew his family has always been ready for such situations.

I am talking about some discussion which happened before the episode airing...I just quoted Abby to make her remember just a line not whole discussion....and I very well know after episode airing that whatever discussions we had are now just one of imaginations...

And regarding him being indebted to Kabir is what I never wanted in first place so thats why I made all theories to avoid it becoz I know its repercussions first place...and secondly he shown to be very astute man who most of the time have hunch regarding people and situations and it is lost somewhere....

Originally posted by: phoenix27

you can teach someone about right things only when you are scot free, when your hands are in dirty then you can't really give lecture of morals to your siblings as you only sound idiot to them.

When I say teach them the things, it should be such family morals. Aryan should stand with his family, not with Kabir.

Okay leaving all this aside also, VR cannot take betrayal. Then why handling from Aryan? The man who had doubts on the whole his family at the time of Shera was lost, what's happening now? Where is he?

so vansh being able to teach them anything good is out of the question. the only thing he could do to them was punish them, but that toob when he could prove that their behaviour is unacceptable from his standard. the only standard he followed was family is everything and i can see that every sibling follow that rule. they don't hurt each other, ridhima is no family to them (except siya), she has been thrust to them not genuinely accepted by them.

The thing he should set standards that no one cannot harm his wife. He need make sure to recheck what's happening in his house. These days his shape of the character is very clueless and they should stop doing that.

Originally posted by: Nephy

I am talking about some discussion which happened before the episode airing...I just quoted Abby to make her remember just a line not whole discussion....and I very well know after episode airing that whatever discussions we had are now just one of imaginations...

And regarding him being indebted to Kabir is what I never wanted in first place so thats why I made all theories to avoid it becoz I know its repercussions first place...and secondly he shown to be very astute man who most of the time have hunch regarding people and situations and it is lost somewhere....

Yes

All are discussion are our POV

not necessary it turns out to be true

we just saying these are things can happen with the show

Originally posted by: phoenix27

how does vansh being able to manipulate ridhima into believing that it was kabir's parent instead of his parent is sheer luck. how is him making sure that even if ridhima reach juvenile centre and get the file she never get the real paper sheer luck ? how him implicating anupriya sheer luck?

If we go by that logic then he was unable to stop Riddhima to get to the juvenile center and reach the truth - the challenge/ face off between them that she'll reach the truth before the get married. That did happen. And as far as manipulating Riddhima goes, then he did not have any proof per say.

Let's talk about how he got to know about AP (not his plan, sheer luck), Riddhima revenge that stopped suddenly not because of any self realization or because of his plan to reach the truth but because Sia woke up from Coma. The fact that he was unable to establish AP and Kabir's relation for so long is a question mark in itself, if you ask me.

Having said that, I would again reiterate - Vansh's character (in initial episodes atleast) was shown as someone who knows everything, everything around him happens as per HIS plan, HIS orders. When a character is established - they have set personalities, ideologies, characteristics that are consistent (which did not happen in this case, character growth and evolution happens but there will never be a drastic change in months...that's not how it works)

He was somebody who absolutely hated betrayal - family, foes or anyone. He would rather die then betray anybody and this was the only thing that was consistent from the beginning till the last few episodes. But conveniently that was also forgotten. He is the same guy who gave Aryan (his cousin) few hours to prove his truth even when he knew he wasn't to be blames but today even after knowing he is with Kabir - nothing. Doesn't seem very Vansh like, does it?

Vansh has always believed that there is nothing such as a free lunch (a guy who doesn't even trust his shadow) is not even worried about his arch enemy staying in the same roof let alone saving him. What surprises me is he didn't even question Kabir on how he got to him - sudden step brother love theory (not something Vansh would ever believe) specially knowing that as per Kabir he killed his parents (Vansh doesn't know that Kabir knows the truth about Ishani being the culprit, for him Kabir's hate will take a different and dangerous turn because emotions are involved). Nobody expects him to know everything but he is not even questioning the things that are so obvious.

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