Your thoughts on... Karn? - Page 21

Originally posted by: prerna4rishav

We judge Arjun based on the Dwapar Yuga rules that he could not speak up against Elder Brother, because that was the norm back then. But we would judge Karna's comments on calling Drau a 'w****' based on today's times because that is what is convenient to us😆. A woman being married to 5 men WAS an unusual event and based on THOSE times, Karna's words would not seem out of place.

Not supporting his encouragement in disrobing Drau, that was disgusting. But one can clearly see how much the 'abhimaan' of Kshatriyas bothered him by then. That happened due to multiple taunts and resistances from this same group in various occasions. I follow KMG, so I would take that Drau's comments, Arjun and Bhimsen's repeated comments on his caste indeed happened. So it doesnt matter how loving his parents are, the caste did bother him, because the 'proud' Pandavas made sure one never forgets that, which was disgusting. So it's not a question to Karna that 'why don't you settle with your parents', rather the question is to the Pandavas, that why don't they let one be with their caste, why did they everytime have to bring his caste into the picture whenever it clashed with Karna's 'ucchakaankshya'.

In no Yuga was calling a woman a w**** considered ok and as per "dharma".

FYI - In Satya, Treta, Dwapar Yugas, polyandry was on par with polygamy. One instance of Madhavi (daughter of either Yayati/Nahusha..I don't exactly recall who) comes to mind. She was married to four men & no one called her a w****.

Be that as it may, Shri Krishna, considered to be the divine avatar of Vishnu in the Dwapar Yuga condemns Karna for this very sentence and it is one amongst the many reasons that Krishna is ultimately against Karna and the Kauravas. Krishna damns Karna in Dwapar Yuga for the Dyut Sabha scene in which Karna was not a mere spectator like Bhishma et al but he was an active participant on par with Duryodhana and Dussasana. Go figure.

I'm shocked that a character calling a woman a w**** is being defended in the 21st century.

Karna disgusts me. Character less.

Originally posted by: prerna4rishav

We judge Arjun based on the Dwapar Yuga rules that he could not speak up against Elder Brother, because that was the norm back then. But we would judge Karna's comments on calling Drau a 'w****' based on today's times because that is what is convenient to us😆. A woman being married to 5 men WAS an unusual event and based on THOSE times, Karna's words would not seem out of place.

Not supporting his encouragement in disrobing Drau, that was disgusting. But one can clearly see how much the 'abhimaan' of Kshatriyas bothered him by then. That happened due to multiple taunts and resistances from this same group in various occasions. I follow KMG, so I would take that Drau's comments, Arjun and Bhimsen's repeated comments on his caste indeed happened. So it doesnt matter how loving his parents are, the caste did bother him, because the 'proud' Pandavas made sure one never forgets that, which was disgusting. So it's not a question to Karna that 'why don't you settle with your parents', rather the question is to the Pandavas, that why don't they let one be with their caste, why did they everytime have to bring his caste into the picture whenever it clashed with Karna's 'ucchakaankshya'.

And by which Yug's standards did name calling a woman for doing something unusual (note it not wrong only unusual) is justified?

If he had multiple taunts he could have taken his revenge by humiliating Pandavas. They were the slaves of his bff. No one could have raised an eye even if he would have asked one of them or even Draupadi to clean his shoes, but instead he chose to do something which was wrong even by the standards of those days calling her names and disrobing her in public and that too without her consent. How can anything in the world be the justification of it??

About Arjun, he was the only one excluding Vikarna to support the claim of Draupadi that she wasn't the slave of Duryodhan. Being a slave he couldn't have done much more.

Actually what some karna fans fail to reliaze here that there are some things which can never never be justified no matter what karna was morinic jerk and that s a fact. Drapaudi was highly respected empress if Aryavarth and nobody had any problem with polyandrous wedding expect from that jerk. Who sadly had a sick mentality.

I am sick sick that how people are ever ready to justify that shit piece of a human being 🤬

There i said that man was piece of a garbage.

Originally posted by: CaptainSpark

Duryodhan accepted what he was, he never portrayed himself as someone wronged and did not justify his actions with i was wronged this way and that way. I hate crying characters who think something wrong happened to them is an open chit for them to do whatever and justify saying "because of the pain he faced". I will take villains like Joker, Duryodhan, Cersei/Baelish, Thanos, Moriarty anyday over these so called tragic figures.

Yes Duryodhan owns his sins, no one says that he did wrong because he was indebted to Shakuni, but all the Karna's evils are concealed under his supposed sob story and "Ehsaan of Duryodhan"

Originally posted by: FlauntPessimism

Yes Duryodhan owns his sins, no one says that he did wrong because he was indebted to Shakuni, but all the Karna's evils are concealed under his supposed sob story and "Ehsaan of Duryodhan"

Exactly my problem! This is why I will take Duryodhan over Karna anyday. At least he knew what he was and never pretended to be something he was not.

For once,

Karna was a part of poisoning Bheem who was a CHILD, completely unprovoked. Note here, Duryodhan had a reason why he did so, his arrogance and rivalry. Karna was not even a Kuru prince then, YET he participated in this when none of them did a single thing to harm them.

He was very much Drona's student. He literally asked him for a weapon like Brahmastra which causes mass destruction and death for the purpose of killing Arjun.

He was a part of Lakshagriha conspiracy, again, he had no reason to do so. Kunti was a part of this.

He bore jealousy for Arjun despite Arjun doing absolutely nothing at this stage to harm him. This was in Drona's gurukul. Please note.

He failed to string the bow in Drau's Swayamvar as per BORI edition, KMG has a contradiction which states he failed too.

He deserted Dury and left him to rot in the hands of the Gandharvas and ARJUN had to rescue them.

He OPENLY humiliated a woman in open court, called her names, asked Dury to take her as a concubine (something of this sort), openly suggested her DISROBING in public court

His kingdom Anga was a hub of sex trafficking and he himself says he would offer his wives to anyone who could bring him news about Arjun.

Yet today, people actually justify this jerk. I don't see how he is any better than Dushashan apart from the fact that Dushy was not as great a warrior as he was.

Originally posted by: Eloquent

This is exactly the reason why Karna pisses me off...the extreme glorifying and making him out to be wronged poor bechara fellow which he's not. He got exactly what was coming to him.

Give me the character of Duryodhana any day... At least he is what he is and doesn't claim to be anyone mahaan.

I shudder to think what terrible lies must be shown in Suryaputra Karn show.

Good that you didn't watch Suryaputra Karna. The Karna there reached out to the Dyut Sabha only to stop the game. Duryodhan had kept his plans hidden from him because he knew Karna would never allow this plan to succeed, however he somehow found out. He was constantly begging Duryodhan to stop (even more than Vidur ji). After winning over Arjun, the gracious Duryodhan there declared that Arjun would not be his slave but the slave of his best friend Karna. Our danveer there immidiately freed Arjun, but Duryodhan said that he had only transferred onto him the ownership of Arjun not the powers to free him. (No idea what else ownership means?

Once Draupadi was won over, he literally prayed Duryodhan to not do anything wrong to her. He constantly shouted in her favour. There was no need for any Vikarna here. Karna carried out his duties better

Duryodhan then asked him, what is a girl who has relations with more than four men called, he kept mum, Duryodhan asked the answer three or four times and then poor Karna had to admit that she is called a wh**e. And then Duryodhan claimed that disrobe of a wh**e isn't wrong and ordered for it.

Karna could never forgive himself for not being able to stop this Adharma, he broke his friendship with Duryodhan the very next moment and became completely a tragic hero. He said that he is indebted to Duryodhan hence can't change his loyalties but would no longer consider Duryodhan his friend

The show had its Duryodhan in a complete Devdas mode for the next 13 years with the sole aim of getting back his friend.

Headache it was

^^

I am so glad I did not watch this nonsense. What was this OMG.

Originally posted by: CaptainSpark

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My bad, I should have mentioned that in no way I am justifying Karna's lewd comments on Drau for the sake of revenge to Pandavas. Any issues with Pandavas taunts, should be cleared with them and not Drau. But I do take it that Drau mentioned his caste after he was able to string the bow, which was unacceptable, but also acceptable as her swayamvar. My comments on his beef with Pandavas was more on the replies here where I see people wonder Karna was jealous of Arjuna/ill-wisher of Pandavas for no specific reason.

Originally posted by: Poorabhforever

If you follow kmg then you would know that kmg writes that radha s son a.k.a karna failed to string the bow.

That is confusing, because he just clarifies that in the previous narration that he did strung it. But regardless, her swayamvar, she can decide whom she wants to marry. If a different reason given by her, that could be better.