Main Na Janoo (HUM) Sanam, Affan, Zahid (DT Note Pg 88) - Page 51

Originally posted by: nanette

If he wanted her to stay away he could just leave or drag her out of his room. As simple as that! Hitting her with a stick was EXTREME!! I repeat: I'm not defending Saira here. She makes me crouch down in my chair she's THAT annoying. Her lies! Her deception! Her duplicity! Her annoying speech pattern! Her bowling like a 5 year old ughh EVERY THING THAT COMES OUT OF THAT MOUTH EVEN IF IT'S PLAIN I JUST HATE IT! I hate people who lie constantly despite being given enough confidence not to. I believe if you feel something growing and expanding within you, if there's a secret, even a secret little truth that perhaps you're wondering if it might be better left unsaid...I'd deeply suggest just say it. Just open your mouth and say it. What she did can never be justified whatsoever. And what the heck was her majbori again? That Nehat would divorce her sister? (Affan's obsession with divorce omg 😂) Why'd you even want your sister to stay with a monster in the first place? Acha hai naa divorce day deta? Divorce is better than having to wake up next to a stranger everyday. Isn't it? This Saira not only broke her husband's trust, but Kiran is also suffering because of her. If she'd told her about Nehat's stalking, seeing how sensible Kiran is, she'd have never married Nehat. So no, Saira was anything but MAJBOR! Gosh I hate this word "majbor" because of Saira constantly shoving it down everyone's throat. This character has become definition of cringe. 😫 History is gonna write her name alongside "Zeeshan" from "Kahin Deep Jale" with the same pen. 😂 See how much I hate Saira? So when I say Nain shouldn't have hit her, I'm definitely not on Saira's side. It's just that...I wasn't expecting this from such a balanced character. Nain aesa hai he nai. Sameer ka Gohar ko thapar maarna samajh aata hai. He had a psychological disorder. But Nain was never like this. And that's totally on the writer. It's similarly like you are writing a book. There's this character who's very sharp and clever. 199 pages explain his great insight. But in 200th page he does something stupid all of a sudden. Doesn't make sense, right? And you can't just say Nain ghussay main tha and all that stuff. People who hit their wives they don't do it while smiling lol. Domestic violence ki definition main yeh kahin nai likha, "violent abuse of a loyal wife." It's still violence if your spouse is a liar. And even in Islam you are not allowed to hit your dishonest wife. Did you see that bruise on her arm in the very last scene? How can y'all condone such behavior? Talaak day deta udher he kharay kharay wo chali jaati. And uff that witless lady🤦🏿‍♀️ Woh tumhe maar raha hai and you are lying there like a dheet "mAiN nAI jAoOn Gi NAin." One moment I think I can't hate her more than I already do, and the very next moment she does something more vacuous. 😣 She's suffering brain death lol. But yes, that last scene was unbearable. I don't support out of context violence. They lost me right there. Saira's lies couldn't stop me from watching this toxic drama. But that scene did! It destroyed my 0.1 % interest that was left lol. I'm so sorry. ☹️💔

I agree with almost all what you said except for @red .coz it is clearly written in Holy Quraan :

"Men are the protectors and maintainers of women, because Allah has given the one more (strength) than the other, and because they support them from their means. Therefore the righteous women are devoutly obedient, and guard in (the husband's) absence what Allah would have them guard. As to those women on whose part ye fear disloyalty and ill-conduct, admonish them (first), (Next), refuse to share their beds, (And last) beat them (lightly); but if they return to obedience, seek not against them Means (of annoyance): For Allah is Most High, great (above you all)". (An-Nisaa 4 _34).

Also she disobayed him by letting Nihat into his house when she knows that he hates it.. it isn't allowed in Islam.

Originally posted by: awida

I agree with almost all what you said except for @red .coz it is clearly written in Holy Quraan :

"Men are the protectors and maintainers of women, because Allah has given the one more (strength) than the other, and because they support them from their means. Therefore the righteous women are devoutly obedient, and guard in (the husband's) absence what Allah would have them guard. As to those women on whose part ye fear disloyalty and ill-conduct, admonish them (first), (Next), refuse to share their beds, (And last) beat them (lightly); but if they return to obedience, seek not against them Means (of annoyance): For Allah is Most High, great (above you all)". (An-Nisaa 4 _34).

Also she disobayed him by letting Nihat into his house when she knows that he hates it.. it isn't allowed in Islam.

theres a difference between hitting and discipling....if you read the Quran, it says to hit so lightly that neither should it hurt nor leave a mark and STILL thats the last option after cutting contact and not sleeping with her if she still doesnt mend her ways

theres even a hadith that says our Prophet SAW never raised hand on a woman and he will not even look at a man who ever hit a woman on the day of judgment

Originally posted by: heavenlybliss

theres a difference between hitting and discipling....if you read the Quran, it says to hit so lightly that neither should it hurt nor leave a mark and STILL thats the last option after cutting contact and not sleeping with her if she still doesnt mend her ways

theres even a hadith that says our Prophet SAW never raised hand on a woman and he will not even look at a man who ever hit a woman on the day of judgment

I agree hitting should come after cutting contact. But here he was clear that he doesn't want her in his room yet she was stick to him pulling his trousers.😲 how can he make her understand that he wanted to cut contact when she doesn't accept it !😳 you watch that scene plz . She drove him crazy by her acts. I felt he would've killed her.☢️

Originally posted by: heavenlybliss

theres a difference between hitting and discipling....if you read the Quran, it says to hit so lightly that neither should it hurt nor leave a mark and STILL thats the last option after cutting contact and not sleeping with her if she still doesnt mend her ways

theres even a hadith that says our Prophet SAW never raised hand on a woman and he will not even look at a man who ever hit a woman on the day of judgment

Originally posted by: awida

I agree with almost all what you said except for @red .coz it is clearly written in Holy Quraan :

"Men are the protectors and maintainers of women, because Allah has given the one more (strength) than the other, and because they support them from their means. Therefore the righteous women are devoutly obedient, and guard in (the husband's) absence what Allah would have them guard. As to those women on whose part ye fear disloyalty and ill-conduct, admonish them (first), (Next), refuse to share their beds, (And last) beat them (lightly); but if they return to obedience, seek not against them Means (of annoyance): For Allah is Most High, great (above you all)". (An-Nisaa 4 _34).

Also she disobayed him by letting Nihat into his house when she knows that he hates it.. it isn't allowed in Islam.

Now that you mentioned this verse, luckily I studied about this in detail since it used to make me waver between different opinions. Quran translations are not considered translations, they're considered translated simple-interpretations. It's impossible to give the meaning of Quran in any language other than Arabic. You shouldn't think of a translation as a real translation, but only like an interpretation. This verse is a hotly debated verse and is in fact interpreted differently by different scholors. The word "lightly" looks incongruous with what Islam actually teaches us even if it's just "lightly". The possible translation of the word "dhraba" could mean separate and not necessarily beat. Since Quran is written in classical Arabic, some words may not mean the same things as they do today. Most Quran translators translate the Quran using their knowledge of modern Arabic, not the classical one. The word "dharaba" in today's Arabic has many translations, mainly "to strike/hit" but back in classical Arabic it meant to move away, or travel. And since the Quran was revealed in classical Arabic, it would be wrong to use modern Arabic to translate it. Therefore, when the Quran says "Wadhraboohun" , it could also mean to move away from your wife (divorce) not to strike, because hitting your wife is the most cowardly act you can do. I personally am in favor of this translation. My religion is a religion of peace and it has no place for tashadud be it halka phulka tashadud or rough one.

Originally posted by: awida

I agree hitting should come after cutting contact. But here he was clear that he doesn't want her in his room yet she was stick to him pulling his trousers.😲 how can he make her understand that he wanted to cut contact when she doesn't accept it !😳 you watch that scene plz . She drove him crazy by her acts. I felt he would've killed her.☢️

When he held that stick, I thought he'll be thwacking himself which would coerce Saira into leaving him alone. And that is exactly how the writer should've written that scene imo. People already have great sympathy for Nain. Him hitting himself would only add in that. But this stupid writer took some away from it. I've seen sternly critical tweets about Nain hitting Saira. ☹️ And even if I go for your aforementioned translation of the word "dharaba" , that it renders into lightly hitting your wife...I'm afraid this wasn't light beating. She has bruises on her body. SHE WAS BEATEN UNCONSCIOUS!! Aur aam lafzon main isay "zulm" kaha jaata hai. And honestly speaking, this wasn't Nain at all. Because if you take a long, hard look at his character, he's the last person on this earth who'd hit Saira, no matter he's angry or out of sorts. It was clearly the writer. And he should be called out on his inexcusable writing. And so should HUM TV which is supposed to be a wOMeN eMPoWERmeNt channel. 😒

Originally posted by: nanette

Now that you mentioned this verse, luckily I studied about this in detail since it used to make me waver between different opinions. Quran translations are not considered translations, they're considered translated simple-interpretations. It's impossible to give the meaning of Quran in any language other than Arabic. You shouldn't think of a translation as a real translation, but only like an interpretation. This verse is a hotly debated verse and is in fact interpreted differently by different scholors. The word "lightly" looks incongruous with what Islam actually teaches us even if it's just "lightly". The possible translation of the word "dhraba" could mean separate and not necessarily beat. Since Quran is written in classical Arabic, some words may not mean the same things as they do today. Most Quran translators translate the Quran using their knowledge of modern Arabic, not the classical one. The word "dharaba" in today's Arabic has many translations, mainly "to strike/hit" but back in classical Arabic it meant to move away, or travel. And since the Quran was revealed in classical Arabic, it would be wrong to use modern Arabic to translate it. Therefore, when the Quran says "Wadhraboohun" , it could also mean to move away from your wife (divorce) not to strike, because hitting your wife is the most cowardly act you can do. I personally am in favor of this translation. My religion is a religion of peace and it has no place for tashadud be it halka phulka tashadud or rough one.

Thank you for the explanation. 😊I am an Arabic woman. I am also an Arabic language teacher and I know exactly the meaning of (dharaba) . Seperating or moving away is the meaning of (dharaba fi al ardh ) not the single word (dharaba), so that meaning is far away from Arabic language, also all old tafseers of Quraan which were written by Arabic faqeehs who know Arabic , fiqh and tafseer better than any one in recent times say that (dharaba ) means : hit or beat. 😊 so it is the exact meaning. And as known from sunnah men were ordered to not beat their wives hard, or without a reason.

What Nain did was a moment of madness, which shows that he isn't extraordinary person. He had enough of Saira's lies , so he losed his cool. I am not defending him , even prophet Ayyub (alaihi assalam) who was the most patient in this world, who lost his sons, his health and almost everything except Imaan, when his wife disobayed him and came late he sware to hit her. But he was ordered to beat her lightly to not break his qasam (surah Saad , 44). This shows that even the most patient men can reach to this stage . So women should understand men's nature.😔

Originally posted by: awida

Thank you for the explanation. 😊I am an Arabic woman. I am also an Arabic language teacher and I know exactly the meaning of (dharaba) . Seperating or moving away is the meaning of (dharaba fi al ardh ) not the single word (dharaba), so that meaning is far away from Arabic language, also all old tafseers of Quraan which were written by Arabic faqeehs who know Arabic , fiqh and tafseer better than any one in recent times say that (dharaba ) means : hit or beat. 😊 so it is the exact meaning. And as known from sunnah men were ordered to not beat their wives hard, or without a reason.

What Nain did was a moment of madness, which shows that he isn't extraordinary person. He had enough of Saira's lies , so he losed his cool. I am not defending him , even prophet Ayyub (alaihi assalam) who was the most patient in this world, who lost his sons, his health and almost everything except Imaan, when his wife disobayed him and came late he sware to hit her. But he was ordered to beat her lightly to not break his qasam (surah Saad , 44). This shows that even the most patient men can reach to this stage . So women should understand men's nature.😔

Not all of them! Some have also translated it to separate/shun or ignore. I respect your school of thought, I really do. I'm not an Arabic language teacher. Tbh I only know a thing or two about Arabic-English lexicon. I just did some preliminary and basic work regarding this particular verse. So here it is: idhrib + an + noun or pronoun = to ignore or turn away from someone. Some translators say that since the preposition 'an' is absent from this particular verse, the word 'idribohunna' cannot be rendered as 'turn away' and therefore must retain the meaning to beat. But students of classical Arabic and researchers of older Arabic lexicons say that the preposition 'an' is not necessarily required to render 'idribohunna' to turn away. Edward Lanes Lexicon further explains why 'an' isn't necessary. Moreover, whenever 'idrib' is used in the Quran to denote ‘beat’ (whether idiomatically or otherwise) the Quran always clarifies about the kind of object to use to beat and also about the part of the body where you have to beat. However this is the only verse where we notice that the imperative verb doesn't tell you anything. Without qualification, it would be difficult to conclude that the intention of the verb was ever to beat. If 'idribohunna' is translated in the traditional manner to beat then such an isolated, unqualified rendition would leave it wide open for any psychopath husband to beat his wife in any manner, wherever he wanted, with any amount of given force. This verse does not fit the Quran's usual qualification. So the term 'idribohunna' can mean to turn away instead of beat and it does not necessarily require a preposition.

But even from y'alls standpoint (that husbands can lightly beat their dishonest wives), what Nain did is WRONG since it wasn't light beating at all. He isn't extraordinary I agree (no one is!!) But he isn't someone who'd beat a woman, let alone the love of his life. Yeh harkat Nehat Kiran k saath karay tu samajh aata hai kyun k writer nay us ka character isi tarah likha hai. He even physically hurt Saira when he kidnapped her. And he wasn't even sorry. But Nain had a panic attack when he broke a glass and it accidentally hit Saira. And I'm not even criticizing Nain here. I'm criticizing the writer. Because what Nain did...it was never foreshadowed in the previous episodes. When a character isn't suppose to act in a way that's atypical of him but he does it anyways, it's on the writer not on the character. For example, Danish saying "do takay ki larki" wasn't Danish speaking. It was writer's misogyny speaking.

all characters are disappointing