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Posted: 6 years ago

Originally posted by: ponymo


@Bold: "He refers to illegal immigrants as termites. He makes no indication that only Muslims were termites."


First of all, no human being can be referred to in such a demeaning, dehumanizing way, let alone millions of people grouped together being called that. Secondly -- now read carefully -- if he was also calling the other non-Muslims termites, how come he is offering citizenship to the same termites? Because he was never referring to them in the first place! It is crystal clear that he was only referring to Muslims as termites, and rest of the illegal infiltrators seem okay to him. Can't you not see through his bigoted BS? Look at the kind of statements a Home Minister of the country is making, creating widespread unrest and fear among the Muslim community:


https://twitter.com/BJP4India/status/1116246724119371776


Oh secularism was a vote bank to appease minorities. And Hindutva isn't being used as a vote bank to bag votes? Which prism are you viewing it through that doesn't show you that? (Also why are you bringing Congress into this? If you are under the impression that I am a Congress supporter, then I am not. Far from it. Criticizing Salman doesn't make me an SRK fan).


Forget left leaning Indian websites, read what international media is writing about them. If you are neutral, you would see why there are many signs foreshadowing the rise of fascism.


I agree with you about treating everyone equally, but the govt doesn't quite believe in that, and their actions prove that. And that's exactly what we are protesting.

# Illegal Immigrants


Yes, the statement made was a horrible thing to say. We're on the same page.

Because those other termites are oppressed and persecuted in their other countries ... they have come into our country and living in refugee camps. You're probably going to argue what about the Ahmediyas and Rohingyas, etc. Those are minority Muslims too ... sure, but 1) have entered India before Jan 1 2015, and 2) what is their current lifestyle like?


I mean take Ahmediyas for example. They are persecuted in our country by other Muslims groups ... where is all the outrage for them then?


https://herald.dawn.com/news/1152871


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Under Indian law, the Ahmadi community is officially recognised as Muslim, the result of a landmark judgment by the Kerala High Court in 1970, which determined that the sect could not be declared heretic since it upheld, according to the court, the core tenets of Islam: Belief in the oneness of God and in the last prophet as His messenger. However, Ahmadis are not represented on the All India Muslim Personal Law Board, which is recognised by the government as the official representatives of Indian Muslims, ostensibly due to pressure from the more mainstream Muslim sects.

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The statements Shah is making is purposely being interpreted as anti-Muslim to stir unrest in this country. Again, Muslims are not in any more of a threat than Hindus are, but they've had this victimization going on pre-Partition. Muslims wanted an individual country for themselves because of fear that Hindus would oppress and persecute their rights, liberties, and culture. They stayed in India and continued to yell about how they live in fear, conditioned by "secular" people. And that's their only talking point - Dara Hua musalman. Kaun Dara Hua hai? They are pelting stones like they own the country, and then turn around and yell "I'm scared, I'm a victim." (it's obvious, but I'm not talking about all muslims).


Regarding the tweet - it also didn't include Christians, Jains, etc. either ... CAA is for persecuted Hindus, Sikhs, Buddhists, Jains, Parsis and Christians of other countries. If this was really a "hindu" thing, they wouldn't have included the other five.


Yes, Hindutva is also being used for vote banks, but Hindutva has one clear ideology - Hindus first. Secularism is a separation from religious institutions, but Hindus have faced a ton of shit under "secularism" compared to other religions. Their lands were taken, temples have to pay taxes, etc. How is that secularism if all you're doing is farking over one religion to appease others. Secularism in India is pretty much "how do we please Muslims." The SC ruled in favor of the mandir, boom, they aren't secular and the SC has been compromised. But if the same SC ruled in favor of the masjid, they would have been secular and upholding the law of the land. I'm bringing Congress into this because they are the only other opposition against BJP.

#International Media

And that's why I asked you for a source. Anyway, I never specified Indian websites were pointing towards this, but from my research (I just googled it and looked up articles), it's the exact same thing. Just people looking at a list and inserting select events.


Here - https://qz.com/india/844672/along-with-narendra-modis-rise-india-has-displayed-classic-signs-that-foreshadow-fascism/


Maybe I'll write something up later or I'll ask a friend to do some research since Poli-Sci isn't my area of expertise. But look down the list, some fit with BJP and others are noticeably being stretched to make it fit.


And finally ..

//QUOTE// I agree with you about treating everyone equally, but the govt doesn't quite believe in that, and their actions prove that. And that's exactly what we are protesting. //QUOTE//


Oh come on ...

Modi has also done a lot of minorities. Triple Talaq, scholarship for 50M muslims, with 50% reserved for Muslim girls, training and appointing teachers in madrasas. Of all the stuff Modi has pulled, digital india, make in india, the jan dhan yojna, etc. muslims haven't been excluded from this. Scraping 370 (admittedly badly handled, but given the events surrounding it ... it's hard to predict the alternative). UCC would also be a good move.


Aside from the retarded rhetoric of Hindu Rastra, etc., the BJP haven't favored Hindus at all like you would believe. Folks of the Sangh parivar are disappointed that Modi is helping the minorities - which goes to show what his actions are ...


The vast misinformation being spread regarding the NRC and CAA just lend its support to showing that you (generally) are blindly supporting a protest that only says "Muslims Khatre Mein Hain" but doesn't back it up with anything.


Take this picture that many BW actors are spreading:




Fear mongering, ambiguity, demonization and lies, selective facts, misinformation, and FFS propaganda in a nutshell. Try to identify them.


I haven't read anything to indicate that non-Muslims will be granted citizenship without documents. If that's the case, why are muslims afraid? Just pretend to be one of the selected people and join along. Lol, you will obviously have to prove that you were persecuted in your home country. It's not going to be a "oh Hinduji. Welcome, welcome. Here is your citizenship. Have a nice day." "oh muslims, yuck. off you go."


Take this



Lol ... second partition. The first partition resulted in Pakistan - a Muslim nation. Aacha hai. Second partition will (allegedly) result in more Hindus = Hindu rastra = bura hai. Let's send back all the persecuted refugees!!! /s

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Posted: 6 years ago
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Posted: 6 years ago

Originally posted by: Stark_Wolf

If Bjp has no agenda why the hell did they edit the video n made it viral.. Just to spread modi's kapdonse pata chalta hai akramiyonka

https://twitter.com/free_thinker/status/1206974408746622976?s=20

Source that BJP edited the video and made it viral.


But I agree this is stupid. What's the point of editing clips (whoever did it)? It affects the seriousness of the situation. What morons.

Edited by guenhwyvar - 6 years ago
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Posted: 6 years ago

Find my comments in red.


Originally posted by: guenhwyvar

# Illegal Immigrants


Yes, the statement made was a horrible thing to say. We're on the same page.

Because those other termites are oppressed and persecuted in their other countries ... they have come into our country and living in refugee camps. You're probably going to argue what about the Ahmediyas and Rohingyas, etc. Those are minority Muslims too ... sure, but 1) have entered India before Jan 1 2015, and 2) what is their current lifestyle like? - What's the logic for Jan 1 2015? Why not 2016 or 2014?


And yes, if the idea is to offer shelter to persecuted minorities, what about Balochs in Balochistan, Ahmediyas in Pakistan, Sri Lankan Tamils, etc.? On what grounds is citizenship not being provided to them? This is the discrimination we are up in arms against.


I mean take Ahmediyas for example. They are persecuted in our country by other Muslims groups ... where is all the outrage for them then?


https://herald.dawn.com/news/1152871


//QUOTE//

Under Indian law, the Ahmadi community is officially recognised as Muslim, the result of a landmark judgment by the Kerala High Court in 1970, which determined that the sect could not be declared heretic since it upheld, according to the court, the core tenets of Islam: Belief in the oneness of God and in the last prophet as His messenger. However, Ahmadis are not represented on the All India Muslim Personal Law Board, which is recognised by the government as the official representatives of Indian Muslims, ostensibly due to pressure from the more mainstream Muslim sects.

//QUOTE//


The statements Shah is making is purposely being interpreted as anti-Muslim to stir unrest in this country. Again, Muslims are not in any more of a threat than Hindus are - This is the same Hindu khatre mein hain line of reasoning. In a country where the majority are Hindus, Hindus are in danger? How can you equate their plight with Muslims? Just how?, but they've had this victimization going on pre-Partition. Muslims wanted an individual country for themselves because of fear that Hindus would oppress and persecute their rights, liberties, and culture. They stayed in India and continued to yell about how they live in fear, conditioned by "secular" people. And that's their only talking point - Dara Hua musalman. Kaun Dara Hua hai? Who stayed in India? Do you realize it has been more than 72 years after partition? Most Muslims who chose to stay back in India are dead. Are you going to crucify their grandchildren and great grandchildren for the actions of their forefather and foremother? Do you even understand what you are saying?

They are pelting stones like they own the country, and then turn around and yell "I'm scared, I'm a victim." (it's obvious, but I'm not talking about all muslims). Regarding pelting stones - it's on both sides. Look up the number of victims. There are casualties on both sides. Regardless, the ones actually indulging in such activities are minimal. What about the rest of the innocent people? Are you going to brush them under the same carpet?


Regarding the tweet - it also didn't include Christians, Jains, etc. either ... CAA is for persecuted Hindus, Sikhs, Buddhists, Jains, Parsis and Christians of other countries. If this was really a "hindu" thing, they wouldn't have included the other five. It isn't a Hindu thing. It's an anti-Muslim thing. The tweet didn't include Christians and Jains, yes. But the act does. So they are protected, but not Muslims.


Yes, Hindutva is also being used for vote banks, but Hindutva has one clear ideology - Hindus first. Secularism is a separation from religious institutions, but Hindus have faced a ton of shit under "secularism" compared to other religions. Their lands were taken, temples have to pay taxes, etc - No religious institution pays tax. There is no religion based discrimination in taxing, whoever taught you this is lying to you. As per Indian Income Tax Act 1961, income of Charitable or religious trust is exempt from tax. How is that secularism if all you're doing is farking over one religion to appease others. Secularism in India is pretty much "how do we please Muslims." - Muslim appeasement - If it is the case then pls tell me why Muslims condition is worse then Dalits? 70+ years post independence and Indian Muslim are economically weakest, socially marginalised and politically underrepresented! What appeasement are you talking about? Muslims have very less representation in every sphere of progress, be it education, health, jobs, govt jobs - IAS, IPS, politics. Is this appeasement?


The SC ruled in favor of the mandir, boom, they aren't secular and the SC has been compromised. But if the same SC ruled in favor of the masjid, they would have been secular and upholding the law of the land. I'm bringing Congress into this because they are the only other opposition against BJP.

#International Media

And that's why I asked you for a source. Anyway, I never specified Indian websites were pointing towards this, but from my research (I just googled it and looked up articles), it's the exact same thing. Just people looking at a list and inserting select events.


Here - https://qz.com/india/844672/along-with-narendra-modis-rise-india-has-displayed-classic-signs-that-foreshadow-fascism/


Maybe I'll write something up later or I'll ask a friend to do some research since Poli-Sci isn't my area of expertise. But look down the list, some fit with BJP and others are noticeably being stretched to make it fit. - That's your view. But nothing in the article is false. You're welcome to show me any other international publication rebutting/contradicting this.

And finally ..

//QUOTE// I agree with you about treating everyone equally, but the govt doesn't quite believe in that, and their actions prove that. And that's exactly what we are protesting. //QUOTE//


Oh come on ...

Modi has also done a lot of minorities. Triple Talaq, scholarship for 50M muslims, with 50% reserved for Muslim girls, training and appointing teachers in madrasas. Of all the stuff Modi has pulled, digital india, make in india, the jan dhan yojna, etc. muslims haven't been excluded from this. Scraping 370 (admittedly badly handled, but given the events surrounding it ... it's hard to predict the alternative). UCC would also be a good move. - Kashmir is still under clampdown even after more than 4.5 months after scrapping 370. And you're saying this is good move and Muslims ought to be thankful for it? I have no words.


Aside from the retarded rhetoric of Hindu Rastra, etc., the BJP haven't favored Hindus at all like you would believe. Folks of the Sangh parivar are disappointed that Modi is helping the minorities - which goes to show what his actions are ... - That rhetoric of Hindu Rashtra is enough to put minorities under constant fear. His ministers/MPs/MLAs keep making horrible remarks which he never condemns. That confirms that he doesn't mind their language or their conveyed meaning.


The vast misinformation being spread regarding the NRC and CAA just lend its support to showing that you (generally) are blindly supporting a protest that only says "Muslims Khatre Mein Hain" but doesn't back it up with anything. - There may be misinformation on both sides, but the heart of the protest is in the right place, which isn't the case of those who are toeing the govt line. There is literal discrimination that I have already pointed out and that's exactly what people are protesting.


Take this picture that many BW actors are spreading:




Fear mongering, ambiguity, demonization and lies, selective facts, misinformation, and FFS propaganda in a nutshell. Try to identify them. - Propoaganda and lies are spread a lot more by the BJP and the RW and any one with the slightest idea of Indian politics will assert the same.


I haven't read anything to indicate that non-Muslims will be granted citizenship without documents. If that's the case, why are muslims afraid? Just pretend to be one of the selected people and join along. Lol, you will obviously have to prove that you were persecuted in your home country. It's not going to be a "oh Hinduji. Welcome, welcome. Here is your citizenship. Have a nice day." "oh muslims, yuck. off you go."


You haven't read anything to indicate that non-Muslims will be granted citizenship without documents? Here - forget reading, watch it come from the horse's mouth. (And why should Muslims or anyone lie about their religion? Are you even serious rn?)


https://twitter.com/imStinger01/status/1207159560844107776


if you are still going to live in denial about this, I have nothing to add that would change your mind. I rest my case.


Take this



Lol ... second partition. The first partition resulted in Pakistan - a Muslim nation. Aacha hai. Second partition will (allegedly) result in more Hindus = Hindu rastra = bura hai. Let's send back all the persecuted refugees!!! /s

Edited by ponymo - 6 years ago
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Posted: 6 years ago

Originally posted by: ponymo

Find my comments in red.



Lol 🤣arre madam aap.

Reply nahi kiya abhi tak. Kya hua? 😆

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Posted: 6 years ago

Originally posted by: Tinaa11

Nobody is stopping them from protests but they have no right to use uni campus for protests that have nothing to do with student issues. But justifying violence just because some of them are students is not acceptable.You Islamists are hiding behind students to have a go at India and only using tgen for cover to gain sympathy and whitewash the damage caused by violent rioters and I don't think you're fooling anyone with your student rants. Nobody is buying that. Not even your secular media. That jihadan has gone into hiding after being exposed of her radical ideology. Student...my foot!!

@bold...WHO are you to say that? The percecuted minorities who had no say in the partition and were left behind in those Islamic countries that were made for/by you have more claims/rights on India than you traitors who still haven't made your peace with India as your home country. Your stand on violent protests supporting your radical jihadi brothers proves my point. You have 50+ Muslim countries and still nobody wants you. Even Imran Khan rejected to accept Muslims coming to his country That's the kind of reputation and aukaat you have earned. Thank your stars that you were allowed to stay back even after 99%of you voted for the break up of India.Hypothetically,If India kicked you out like pakis/Bangladeshis are doing to Hindus where will you go? You people have been taking the generosity for granted for fast too long. It's about time you are told to stay within your limits.


I have no idea of such a rule in place. If u do know the rule please quote it for me. This gives government every right to hold the college authorities responsible for letting such protests takes place and take actions on them. But I have never heard of it so I m unaware about the same.

Again I have never justified violence so if u want to continuously lie so that u can keep sending derogatory comments at me then thats on you.


Well to begin with I m a citizen of this country, an eligible voter and I also happen to pay all kinds of taxes that goes into nation building and benefit the poor and marganalised. And after everything its the constituition of the country that gives me the right to have a say.


Define my limits and also quote the rule book that says so and until then maybe stop pretending like you own this country.

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Posted: 6 years ago

Originally posted by: Tinaa11

Waise Sindhu ji ka maunvrat Chal raha Hai Kya?😆


Arre arre dude. I legit work for a living.I also have a personal life. I can't be available for a discussion with you 24x7 or at your beck and call. You have to learn to have some patience with me. I m so sorry you had to wait for so long for me. But just for your info for the future, I wasted a lot of time here yesterday and I had to compensate for that. I also have a personal life that is way more valuable to me than indulging in a conversation on the internet especially with someone like u.So u won't find me here for that everyday. I also dislike entertaining bigotry for long since its a wastage of time and when it serves no purpose, so I might stop visiting a thread after a point and addressing people in it. So u need to be prepared for that too. My priorities are different in life. I m sure you will understand my absence.

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Posted: 6 years ago

These students are criminals. Complete disrespect of law and order with such violence

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Posted: 6 years ago

Originally posted by: ~*sindhu*~


Arre arre dude. I legit work for a living.I also have a personal life. I can't be available for a discussion with you 24x7 or at your beck and call. You have to learn to have some patience with me. I m so sorry you had to wait for so long for me. But just for your info for the future, I wasted a lot of time here yesterday and I had to compensate for that. I also have a personal life that is way more valuable to me than indulging in a conversation on the internet especially with someone like u.So u won't find me here for that everyday. I also dislike entertaining bigotry for long since its a wastage of time and when it serves no purpose, so I might stop visiting a thread after a point and addressing people in it. So u need to be prepared for that too. My priorities are different in life. I m sure you will understand my absence.

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Posted: 6 years ago

Originally posted by: RegressiveThug


oh, so he is back. maina bola tha, yeh mc tabhi wapas ayega, aur aag lagane, aur aah gaya yeh, timing bhi apt hai.


Yaha pe bohut logo ne rona dhona kiya tha, "bhakts bullied him and his family", and forced him to leave Twitter.


Anurag Kashyap is a biggest qtiya. Hate monger and he is expert at creating divide. Bigot!

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