Originally posted by: awida
So you think Islamic rules shouldn't be followed nowadays, because some scholers and laws don't agree to stonning to death as a punishment. So this means that it is easy to get away with a big crime like zina. 🤔Maybe for this we see many kids born out of wedlock, many petrayals, divorces and horrible things happen in our society which don't look like Islamic society during Prophet (pbuh) times.😒
I don't say we must apply the same old hadd, but there should be a punishment. Even if the person repents and there were no witnesses of the crime, coz admitting is enough like what happened in Ghamidiya and Maiz' cases.😊 Hadd isn't against rependence, it is a warning to the society to not make such sins which doesn't harm the person himself but the whole society.😔
This isn't what I said at all. Islam puts forgiveness on a high pedestal, and we are not supposed to jump at hadd punishments and take people's lives from them the minute they commit a sin. These scholars you're talking about have dedicated their lives to studying Islam and Shariah, so when they say repent, move on, do good deeds, and don't repeat the sin they're not going against Islamic law.
This is from eShaykh:
It is a well-established principle in the Law already from the time of the Companions (Allah be well-pleased with them) that the Shari`a demands we always try to find excuses in order not to enforce the criminal penalty (hadd). This principle is based on explicit sayings to that effect by several of the foremost Ahl al-Fatwa among the Companions: Sayyidina `Umar and Ibn Mas`ud in Sahih al-Bukhari and Ibn Hazm’s Fisal (“Avert the penalties by way of inconclusive evidence as much as you can”; Sayyida `Aisha in al-Tirmidhi (“Avert the penalties as much as you can, and if any leeway is found then release the detainee. Truly it is preferable for the ruler to pardon mistakenly than to punish mistakenly”); and Mu`adh b. Jabal and `Uqba b. `Amir as stated by Ibn Hajar in Talkhis al-Habir. Among the most glaring excuses forming “inconclusive evidence” is the culprit’s ignorance of the penalty, which can be cited to avert the penalty in any society past or present, consumerist or otherwise.Also, sins like this DID happen during the Prophet's (pbuh) time. These sins aren't unique to our generation or modern society.
Frankly, the way you're misunderstanding what I said, and jumping to extremes does not incline me to continue this conversation with you. It's extreme and uninformed views like this that have gotten so many Muslim countries into awful situations vis-a-vis human rights.
So with all due respect, I will not be engaging with you on this topic any further.
Edited by Amara_B - 6 years ago
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