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Posted: 8 years ago
How did I miss this post. You are so very right... this whole izzat izzat talk is really getting under my skin...here is my thought on this
Somewhere it was mentioned that BW is more progressive ... but sorry to say thats not true in the right sense ... BW movies are mostly made by a bunch of rich star kids who has no touch with ground realities of neither this country nor any place... they grew up in the affluent society where relationship are more liberal and in a way thats good but that doesnt stop them being the patriarchal egotists... Their movies have more liberal ideas like live in and support for lgbt ... but have they ever dared to make something that shows the stigma and troubles of indian woman ? Did they ever make anything that question dowry or kap panchayat or honour killing? Forgot how Karan Johar went all apologetic when ultra nationalist attacked Fawad khan ... Bollywood just play safe without ever touching ideas that will upset the set protocol of 90% India and pretend to be liberal by setting it up in a scenario where most ppl cant relate to it ...

However the USB of prime time television is to relate it to the home audience aka mostly middle class Indian houses ... upper or lower ... the majority of that Indian that still expects the Bahu to be submissive slave ... and a Bahu who will grow up and in turn expect the same from her bahu ... a purely sadistic scenario ... and a society where boys are considered gifts of god... girls wait till all men in house finish food before eating ... where a independent thinking woman is name loose character... where wedding is more or less a show of status... sansakar is also about status not about values ...why else would ppl find pride in their sur name which are mostly caste names? Is that truly good values to keep? Kaandhan...sanskaar..izzat... my foot!!! generation after generation of conditioning to believe that by virtue of luck you are born into greatness ... and the major victim of this social equation is woman ... diminish her role into being "jewel" of the kandhan ...

And these daily shows seldom try something that question this status quo ... they do but even at that they put limitations ... from very small things like the personal clothing choices a lead lady makes ... no matter how fancy Vamp can dress, FL has to be sanskari so only sarees for her (some show dare to try out but they are hardly the ones that tops TRP)...

But but ...that said IPK3 is one of the shows in recent past that I have seen which brought back all the hard core cliche stigma's on woman ... society accusing Chandni was one thing ...but Advay being the ML doing that? questioning her character for what happened before marriage ... I really hope he is not holding the baby against her but the fact that she left her own baby in orphanage that he thinks is a characterless act ... but he did manipulated the darkness in our society to his advantage and had no regret in destroying a woman's so called reputation and leaving her to suffer her faith at the hands of same ppl who burned his mother ... if he thinks that justice then he is nothing much of a hero with liberal views but just another average Indian who knowingly or unknowingly plays into the patriarchal system ...

And this is why I want chandni to break free and be a strong independent woman whoses choices are her own ...please dont stay at his house ... :(
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Posted: 8 years ago
In India you pray to one devi and abuse another.
Sad sad times.
But one step forward is saying it like it is, we are strong, perhaps stronger than most.

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Posted: 8 years ago

Originally posted by: _SuMmEr_LoVe_


I agree with everything you said and echo the same sentiment.

Also I never appreciated this back then maybe because I was too young but yes Ekta kapoor had guts. She had the guts to showcase and address marital rape on national tele 👏

And yet here we are 10 years later not being able to protray something as simple as a anti hero.

Disappointing really.


Tbh in india even today marital rape is not a crime.
for all of Ekta's flaws a survey held once did show that around 40% of rural women understood their rights and were empowered through her serials.

and i really had thought that gul would create her own legacy with this show.
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Posted: 8 years ago

Originally posted by: Ayuzawa


Tbh in india even today marital rape is not a crime.
for all of Ekta's flaws a survey held once did show that around 40% of rural women understood their rights and were empowered through her serials.

and i really had thought that gul would create her own legacy with this show.

by the way the revnge is still on 😛
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Posted: 8 years ago

Originally posted by: MrDarcyfan

Agree with you TM the show did not live up to what was expected even from day 1. I don't agree with the general comments here that dark themes are not accepted by audiences. I am not from India, and do not contribute to Indian TRP audience and never did. I am a foreigner who started to watch Indian shows and liked them. Like people watched Korean shows. I like family drama and romance and even thriller / crime dramas. In western shows I watch pretty much every genre.

Wuthering Heights is a story I love and it was dark. Very dark and even depressing. But it had such a "Pull factor and such a romance even in the dysfunction. An impossible love that never actually reached it's destination but that itself made it a great love. THAT is how you tell a dark love story people remember forever. Heathcliff was bent on revenge too. He hated Cathy's family. They deserves it too. But he loved her. Advay aka Dev could have been the same. But the issue here was the TERRIBLE execution. The confused narrative.

That dark anti hero they showed in the Rabba Ve promos (which I saw on Twitter) got me wanting to check the show out, despite my lack of respect for Gul Khan. (coz frankly she deserves non). Also, I was partial to Barun, so wanted to see this show for him. I must say he made a big mistake signing this show. I don't think it turned out anywhere close to what he expected or wanted. Dark themes are accepted by Indian audiences too I am sure. Subaghyavati Bava was liked by people from what I understand (never saw it) and now Beyhadh, which has a psycho female lead is also liked by many. Maybe not TRP audience as such, but it is a hit online and has been well received. I watch it online and it has millions of hits per episode, thousands of comments and even English subtitles. Even Ek Haseena Thi was a dark story and was well recived.

So I do NOT accept that low TRP is due to pathetic TRP aunties. No this is not that. It is pathetic story, and useless confused execution. No proper character development for either ML or FL and no relatability. Loner male leads may not be liked in "general but there are people who like them and if SP were not so TRP hungry, they could risk going full throttle on a story like this. I even remember commenting on the original promo that Advay needs to walk the talk when it comes to being Dark. But that never happened. Week 3 they started PP Baba nonsense and Advay started looking like some collage boy trying to score. Chandani went from PTSD victim to Tashan queen and then again to PTSD victim in 6 weeks. The story went for a toss almost from week 2. This show really has nothing that appealing about it, and that is why there is no TRP. Anyone stating otherwise is wilfully blind.

I saw a promo from another channel of a Bride who gets betrayed in love. Ishq Mai Marjawa. I understand that is a negative male lead. I wonder how that will be played out and how it will be received? Will TRP aunties hate that too? Or will "Execution be the difference between this show and that! Dark themes are being used a lot even in Indian shows. There IS an appetite for it. But it needs to be a VERY good script and must be presented with conviction, or else it wont pick up an audience be it TRP or online. This show is failing in both, because no one wants to see a story with no head or tail, and that is what this is. It's simply not cutting it. We need to accept this show is just not good. End of story.


i agree. they tried something new then they should have not given trps such importance. if they wanted a trp gainer then they should have never started out with something different. they should have just made a mills and boon story from the start.
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Posted: 8 years ago

Originally posted by: Kavithasweets

by the way the revnge is still on 😛


i know. i saw that today. but i still stand on my point. i lost my connect to his reveng the moment he packed his bags and came back. i stood by Advay's actions till now because he wanted everyone not just Chandani to pay for their crimes. Chandani was just part of his grand scheme. but now he feels like a demented person who is going to abuse Chandani simply coz he hates her and want's her out of his life and Indrani and everyone else involved in his parents death live scot free.

and later he may decide to return to find out the truth after he feels for Chandani but what about till then? a plan he has been constructing for sixteen years we never got time to witness it. how did he just end it with such a chota revenge? he knows properly that Indrani was the main conspirator but doesn't even get her to fall to her knees.
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Posted: 8 years ago
@2filmy.
I watched the episode today. and then went and watched the dusshera promo because of a VM i am working on. biggest mistake of my life.😭
Edited by Ayuzawa - 8 years ago
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Posted: 8 years ago

Originally posted by: Niks77

. Like I said many good shows with good content have been very successful in India! So I think it's the makers who need to make an effort! People will eat what is served! For instance even I started watching this show because there was nothing better to watch! Now I have kind of quit!


Sorry to intervene
I agree with both of us
POW did not work I was shocked ... it was really good content ... but still I would say some content is not easy viewing and not preferred by all people for everyday viewing
I watched epic while I was in India ... the channel has pretty good content ... stories by Rabindranathtagore , lost recipes etc
So what's happening is that with no Masala content the channel is able to attract very good talent .. the hosts , actors were all veteran... so what I mean is some content itself is niche viewing like epic
And some are meant for mass viewing ,( watch , forget about it), that happens in movies also ... while we say drisyam failed ...queen was a mega hit ... so the audience does not reject everything that's not a perticular genre

Bottomline Just because movies like happy new year was a sleeper hit , or a movie like death in a gunj failed does not mean audience will accept all masala movies with a Khan or will reject all content based movies

Here with IPK they are trying to make a masala movie whereas the genre and viewers are not exactly the mass viewing kind .. so they are caught in between
the makers lost track of who they are catering to ... this is a result of that
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Posted: 8 years ago

Originally posted by: Ayuzawa

@2filmy.

I watched the episode today. and then went and watched the dusshera promo because of a VM i am working on. biggest mistake of my life.😭


I am telling you again he will complete his revenge
He has taken a short break now
I hope you will still watch the show
Edited by 2filmy - 8 years ago
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Posted: 8 years ago

Originally posted by: Ayuzawa


i know. i saw that today. but i still stand on my point. i lost my connect to his reveng the moment he packed his bags and came back. i stood by Advay's actions till now because he wanted everyone not just Chandani to pay for their crimes. Chandani was just part of his grand scheme. but now he feels like a demented person who is going to abuse Chandani simply coz he hates her and want's her out of his life and Indrani and everyone else involved in his parents death live scot free.

and later he may decide to return to find out the truth after he feels for Chandani but what about till then? a plan he has been constructing for sixteen years we never got time to witness it. how did he just end it with such a chota revenge? he knows properly that Indrani was the main conspirator but doesn't even get her to fall to her knees.

i think if they show all the emotionally draining aspects together then cvs will be empty by 3 months then it becomes fluff so this break revnge into pieces approach 😆

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