*Season 2, Week 18* Analysis Thread - Page 10

Originally posted by: dreamy.tiara

I must admit, I was impressed by the episode. Such classy acting by Supriya ji and Shaheer.. 👏... I did not feel even for a second that I was watching fiction..

As much as I hate Ishwari for being what-she-was 🤬 to Sona, I actually felt a little bad for Ishwari today (all thanks to superb acting👍🏼). It showed the extent of guilt she was carrying inside her and how together with her attempt to be Dev's God, she ended up doing what she did with Sonakshi. Her insecurities stemmed from the fact that she had an image to maintain in front of her son, a false image, and if that image is shattered her son would not remain hers and another girl would snatch him from her.

(I think Shaavi would have better predictions...)...I feel next the lady, memsahib, would demand compensation in form of Kajal getting married to Dev when Ishwari is in hospital. Dev would not be able to protest, even worse, Sona may convince him. Vicky may also play his part. When Ishwari will get better, she would stop the wedding and tell him to get married to Sonakshi. I don't know what would happen to Kajal or who would marry then (Jatin? Well, he too is a nice guy...) Sonakshi would again refuse to get married. Kajal-Dev wedding would break and Sona-Dev-Soha arrangement would continue with a reformed Ishwari (whatever that means😛)

I am looking forward to the day when Vicky's role in the night of separation is revealed...😆

I wish I can keep up with this thread more often but alas.

That being said, the discussion that goes here never fails to amaze me! 👏


Friday's episode left a huge lump in my throat about where things are going to go from that point onwards and if there is any hope (I mean all has to end well, but still the suspense and buildup was depressing😆) All that being said, today's episode definitely set a lot of things straight for me and now I feel like laughing at myself for sulking during the weekend 😆 It's during moments like these where I truly appreciate that KRPKAB is fast-paced 😆

Last week, when GKB was trying to convince Ishwari that she was still Dev's God, the camera panned in a way where Ishwari looked at God's idol that was present in her room. It reminded me of the infertility track in which Ishwari had asked Dev to promise that he'll make sure their family has a heir, that too in front of God's idol once again. That for me was the beginning of Ishwari's downfall as Dev's God, and somehow things have finally come in a full circle with her latest attempt in trying to retain her image in front of her son. I mean, the precap literally shows her falling down and fainting.

Like what others have mentioned here, I think we'll start seeing a new Ishwari after this (I also think this will be the last time she faints!)

I also don't think there will be any remarriage track 😆 But what I do want to see though is progress in the relationship between the three protagonists.

Also, today's episode 315. So another 10 episodes to go until 325, where the changes will become more evident

I too liked the episode .Most of the characters 're true to their senses ( but wat hapnd to our Sonakshi ??? Arzoo bahaoing n defending for ishwari auntyjii...seriouly ?? But that's sonakshi..very compassionate , very forgiving n sometimes very forgetting ) There're no over the top dramas & each characters justified their roles.

Btw, that lady said , ishwari did the theft 15 yrs ago . Wen the show started dev was 28. Then 7 yrs leap means dev 35 now. If ishwari did the theft 15 yrs bak, then dev must b 20 then. So he was nt a small kid . In one of the prev episodes ( i jst don remember which ) sona consoled dev saying he was too small then to help auntyji. She also added that one need to get the maturity @ least by reaching 18 .

Originally posted by: aarcha

Btw, that lady said , ishwari did the theft 15 yrs ago . Wen the show started dev was 28. Then 7 yrs leap means dev 35 now. If ishwari did the theft 15 yrs bak, then dev must b 20 then. So he was nt a small kid . In one of the prev episodes ( i jst don remember which ) sona consoled dev saying he was too small then to help auntyji. She also added that one need to get the maturity @ least by reaching 18 .

In another prev episode, wer dev went to his farmhouse after confronting sonakshi bout jatin , sona went in search of a house no.12. The neighbour there said that she's living der for 40 yrs & this 12 is locked for the last 20 yrs. That means the theft happned 20 yrs ago. 20 yrs seems more reasonable than 15 yrs, @ least dev was 15 then ,still can relate to him as a school going boy .

@ last i've done some analysis !! 🤣🤪

Good to see you back Payal. Hope all is well at your end. Missing your write-ups from long time here. Hope we will get a chance to read one soon. Take care and share your thoughts when time permits.

I am mostly a silent reader and really applaud all of you to keep the thread positive and objective especially when so many emotions get involved..

Originally posted by: bashingHater2

Before answering to this post, I wanted to tell you guys that this is my last post on this forum and I won't be able to reply. So, I will like to thank all the wonderful people who made me love this place in the forum. Thank you sam and Dq for this serene place.

@Sam

I guess I will never get the answer to my question regarding Roman empire. My opinion on it is that we are living in an age which is similar to Roman empire.

@malikaks

I wanted to thank you for always carrying out healthy discussions with me. I won't be able to reply so you can agree to disagree with this one

With this, I would also like to thank Lakshmi for always appreciating me and making me feel that I can help you out in any way.

Geena, thank you for always liking my comments. It showed me that you supported me and agreed to my opinion, so thank you for that.

Lastly, I would thank dhank for appreciating me, for sharing mutual feelings for Ishwari and helping me bring out my black humor on some amazingly funny posts.

Also, thanks to Suyash for motivating me to write here. You are an awesome writer and I hope you continue bringing your wonderful perspectives.

Also, special shout out to deepsel for your awesome reviews.

NOW BACK TO THE ANSWER.

P.S Ignore the grammatical errors

I figured I would respond to you here instead of the old thread. 😆

I am not saying Sona didn't have to deal with things in her marriage. But in my view relationships are two way streets. We can't choose how another person chooses to act or react. But we can control our own reactions.

When Dev chose to allow non veg for their wedding and Sona had to hear taunts. What did Sona do? Instead of understanding Dev's genuine desire to appease her family she made him feel bad (for making her family look bad). She went to bed angry with him. In similar circumstances Dev would invariably understand that Sona was trying to do good. Sona's parents never even had to hear those taunts. But Dev had to hear Bijoy's taunts about Sona fasting. But did Sona apologize to Dev about that? No. Instead it was Sona explaining that she was trying to integrate into the family and it was Dev who was made to apologize. It was that hypocrisy that always frustrated me in with Sona. What Sona didn't respect was that Dev was also starting on the backfoot with Bijoy just as she was with Ishwari. The difference is that Sona actually knew that.. whereas Dev didn't. Dev believed Ishwari had full heartedly accepted the marriage. If anything I'd argue that Ishwari herself had believed she accepted Sona.

Sonakshi never undermined his efforts for the non veg food instead she said that you shouldn't have put the non veg food if your mother would not eat food on your wedding. So instead of making him guilty, she was indirectly telling him to have taken his mother's opinion instead of imposing it on his mother.

Bijoy and Asha were insulted as Dadi bua indirectly threw taunts at them along with RR. Moreover, they did not eat the veg food as it was placed near the non veg food. And that is definitely an insult.

I agree Sona did not stop Bijoy from insulting Dev for the vrat situation. But Dev had handled that situation which is why she did not interfere.

Regarding Dev knowing the equation, Dev has always known his mother's insecurities but chose to avoid em due to his abuse. He was able to sense the tension between them as it became evident during the infertility track but left it on Sonakshi as he thought his mother would accept her as he had accepted her ( just like the time he felt after disclosing his relationship to Ishwari for the first time). He said the same to Ishwari before the disclosure of pregnancy news.

Ishwari never believed she had accepted Sonakshi. She always made it evident that she was doing it for her son. When she helped Sonakshi in cooking food for Dadi bua, she clearly stated that she is doing it for her son's respect and not for Sonakshi. She also said the same when she talked to Mama Jee that she is not able to accept Sonakshi although she wishes too but is scared of her empathy and uber nice attitude.

You mentioned the conversation where Sona says that she could go against her parents for him but she knows he can't. Okay but what actually happened when Ishwari agreed for the marriage. Sona's response was "no" because I can't insult my parents further. Sona is lucky that she has two parents. If Asha hadn't agreed would Sona have gone through with the marriage? And this is what I was trying to say earlier about Sona... she believes she can actually do a lot more than she can actually do. But instead of recognizing that when faced in a similar circumstance she probably wouldn't be able to follow though just as Dev couldn't, she makes it out to be a character flaw with Dev. That's what I fault Sona for. If Bijoy almost inadvertently committed suicide over Sona's relationship with Dev... I don't believe for a second that Sona wouldn't immediately end her relationship with Dev. I can't imagine any child being able to say my love is worth risking my parent's life. Honestly, if my boyfriends mother almost committed suicide over our relationship.. I'd probably end that relationship myself. That's why I never really understood the sense of indignation that she felt. Especially her zeal to move on-- there was a lot of false ego there.

Yes Sonakshi's answer to Ishwari was that she does not want to insult her parents but her actual reason for not agreeing to the marriage was given by her to Dev that she is not like a touch screen mobile who will unlock or lock itself on his and his mother's whims. She always wanted him to take a stand for what is right and not yield in front of Ishwari's unwanted wishes.

She agreed to marry because Asha made her believe that she was attracted to Dev's love for his mother and that she admired his respect for his family. If Asha had not made her see the bigger picture, she would not have agreed to marry even if Asha forced her. Moreover, she would not have married if Bijoy disagreed so she with Asha made sure that he agrees to the marriage proposal . She was hesitant to talk to him but she did talk to him in the end.

Her reason to move on was not because of false ego, but because she did not want to hurt her parents with her decisions so she let them decide her fate as felt she had failed choosing the right partner for herself.

Dev also had to bear with the brunt of Sona's actions. Dev knew right from the beginning that money was going to be an issue for Ranveer and Neha- but it was Sona who made him feel guilty for thinking that way. Did he ever hold her accountable for that? Did he hold her accountable that her actions by bringing Ranveer home, pushed Neha to file for divorce? If anything when the divorce was going through Sona accused him of making her feel like an outsider and didn't speak to him for days. That to me shows that her actions don't come from a place of pure benevolence because she wouldn't have made this an ego issue.

Sona made him guilty? If that were the case, she would not have said sorry to him after he had a tiff with her after offering a flat for Ranveer. Dev felt guilty because of his dependent personality disorder as he desperately wanted support from someone who understood him. He felt guilty as he did not want to lose that emotional support he got from Sonakshi. (You have to agree with me that Dev suffered from dependent personality disorder and to some extend still does which explains his guilt complex).

Regarding outsider track, I agree it came from a place of ego. But when you say that you wont be able to understand my family and stop interfering, although you had asked for that same person's opinion regarding the matter ,and finalize the divorce by indirectly calling them an outsider, you will definitely feel like an outsider. (That's my opinion).

You've sort of given Sona a bit of a victim role within the relationship. But I feel Sona had a lot more direct impact on how things turned out. Most of that was from a lack of internal self refection of her flaws. The honeymoon fiasco--- Sona had to hear taunts because she told her parents that they were doing it for Neha. Neha had to hear Bijoy not being understanding about that. Imagine if Ronita goes and tells her mom that they are doing it for Sona? Imagine if Sona overheard Ronita's mom's reaction? At least Ronita had enough sense to not tell her mom that.

Here neither Bijoy nor Sonakshi made Neha feel in front of her that she was the reason for the honeymoon cancellation. It is not their fault if Neha overheard their talks. So, if Sonakshi had made Neha feel like she was the reason, then we can say she needed self reflection. It is not wrong to discuss problems with your family provided they do not create any ruckus about it which neither Bijoy nor Asha did. Instead, she asked Bijoy and Asha to go back and not to worry as they were doing it for Neha and Ishwari. Similarly, Ronita also stopped her mother from interfering and not to worry about her relation with Asha.😊

The infertility track was horrible. But if you actually look at it.. Dev chose Sona over his mother's dreams. He knew full well how important a child was for Ishwari but he didn't end his relationship with Sona over it. But instead of seeing the positive of Dev's actions, she was only seeing the negative. I am not saying Dev was right in that part of the story. But Dev always gave Sona the benefit of the doubt... but Sona didn't give that to Dev in return. I am not saying Dev didn't make mistakes but at the core I feel like Dev was the better partner. I don't think Dev would've ever kept Soha from Sona even if risked himself losing her. And that to me is the difference between Sona and Dev. To me anyone can do good for others when things are easy... but its hard when it comes at cost to yourself.

Dev neither chose Ishwari nor Sonakshi separately but chose both of them which is why he kept infertility a secret from both of them. He did it as he did not want to lose anyone of the two. He had imagined their reactions and went forward for not disclosing the secret. He knew how desperately Ishwari wanted a child and how Sonakshi would refuse if she came to know the truth. If he told Ishwari about it, she would have rejected the proposal and if he told Sonakshi about it, she would not have agreed to marry him. So, he chose to hide it from both of them and chose both of them.

I agree she did not see any positive thing from the incident because of his lying. But she did acknowledge his intentions after her phone call with Asha. (The night scene after her talk with Asha)

Regarding the benefit of doubt, Dev had this perception that Sonakshi always did the right thing (which she did and still does) whereas Sonakshi had the opposite image of Dev (because he resorted to wrong ways for the right thing).

Originally posted by: bashingHater2

ISHWARI 'S INSECURITY:

With this, I would like to talk on Ishwari as well. Ishwari's insecurity stems from two things:

• One from being subjected to society which has wronged her

• Second one from being a bad mother to Dev (She accepted it in front of Dev before declaring her decision regarding his second marriage).

She wanted to get out of the society which had made her to struggle and face all the hardships and tribulations. She wanted to enshroud herself from the society because she had to take care of her self respect in adverse situations and was treated unfairly by the society. The pocket knife and the slap from the mistress help in seeing this thinking process of hers. So, she made sure Dev studied hard and went to an English medium school so that he could do it quickly. His good/better education would help in speedy enshroudment and would provide her the safe haven she looked for. But when she saw Dev not taking his studies seriously, she went to break the vase purposely so that he forces himself to study as no son can see his mother being treated rudely.The fear of the society made her take help of narcissism which made her retort to emotional abuse.

Over the years, she made sure Dev did what she wanted by making sure he never considered her wrong. She made him feel like she was his goddess who never did anything wrong and did all what was right for him and her children. But why did she want to portray herself as she was always right? Because deep down in her subconscious mind, she knew she was a bad mother as she forced Dev to take the responsibility of her enshroudment from the society by burdening him with her unwanted desires. But instead of accepting her failure, she made sure she never faced this guilt by making sure Dev reiterated her godly mother nature. If Dev tried to unintentionally help in resurfacing that guilt, she subjected to emotional abuse to convince herself that she is a good mother. She was able to maintain the goddess stature through emotional abuse.

Initially, she feared that Natasha would influence Dev but after seeing that she was not that effective, she went with the proposal. Also, the marriage was beneficial for the business as well.

But after Sonakshi's entry, she saw how she was influencing Dev's decisions. This made her feel insecure of her position in Dev's life as Sonakshi's goodness might help in seeing how she was a bad mother( her fear and not my opinon) which will make Dev leave her back to the society she feared from. She feared that Sonakshi was snatching her God status from Dev's life which helped her in assuaging her guilt.

She was not able to say no to Dev's choice as it would make her a bad mother in Dev's eyes. Not only this, she also did not want to relinquish her Godly status which made her take the sleeping pills. Unconsciously, she triggered the hypnosis effect in Dev which made him do what she wanted which was breaking up.

She wanted to make sure Sonakshi did not come back to Dev's life and sent Ritwick's proposal. She made sure she accepted the proposal as it would confirm that she does not come back in Dev's life.

After Dev's Deewangi, she feared she had become a bad mother in Dev's eyes and Dev would leave her. On getting to know that she was losing him, she went with the decision of getting him married to Sonakshi. Her good mother image is important for her.

On knowing about the prenup, she went for signatures as she did not want Sonakshi to take Dev's hard earned money which was enshrouding her from the society. She knew how she might influence Dev's decision which might lead to their divorce, so she cleverly took Dev's signature.

After marriage, she saw how Sonakshi had again influencing Dev's decision making her feel left out which increased her fear of facing the society by Dev walking out on her after getting to know how she was a bad mother. So, how did she make sure Dev never left her? She resorted to her emotional abuse by making use of his guilt complex and reminded him of how she had sacrificed for him, reinstating her godly as well as good mother status. If she was unable to make Dev guilty, she would induce what is called self triggered headache and got her way. The headaches that she faced were induced by her subconsciously as she wanted Dev's attention. These headaches were unintentional but helped her getting what she wanted.

Also, when she saw Dev calling Asha maa, this made her fears come true as she saw Dev was going away from her so she did not talk to him and gave him cold shoulder which helped her in achieving the hypnosis effect. If she got Dev's attention, she felt she was not losing her status.

Then came the pregnancy news. She wanted Dev's child desperately especially a male child as she wanted to reduce this guilt in her subconscious and make amends by giving the child freedom and relaxed childhood she was unable to give Dev. After knowing about Sonakshi's infertility, she wanted to try 7 percent chances as she did not want to accept her failure. She wanted God to help her get rid of her guilt by giving her what she wanted (baby). So she forced Dev to get her treated through hypnosis effect. (Making him guilty coupled with leaving the house).

Finally, the slapgate incident which showed Ishwari how Dev was going out of the way for Boses by hiding things from her reinstating her fear of Dev going away from her which might result in him leaving her so she went for her hypnosis effect (The murmuring).

She tried to resort to same emotional abuse by giving Dev the prenup papers and making him see how she was a good mother who thought about his future. But by then, Dev came to know how insecure she was and decided to choose Sonakshi over his mother.

Then came the seven year leap and we know how she was able to assuage her guilt by seeing how correct she was by getting those papers signed as she feared Sonakshi would leave him.

And now I can finally say that Ishwari suffers from narcissistic personality disorder and she suffered from borderline personality disorder which led her to taking pills. What we saw during this track is known as cognitive dissonance and you can search for it online.

With this post, I bid adieu.😊😊