Billu Billu, so Contrary - Page 12

Originally posted by: sinamika

Originally posted by: sinamika

@ B&W Just to answer your above post i said clueless caz am yet at the fruit punch episode so based on that 😆 abhi tak the feelings haven't escalated to love yes attraction is there for sure😆

Originally posted by: blackorwhite

Originally posted by: sinamika

Originally posted by: AreYaar

1) Anika did not always seek him out...re: first mandir incident...that was standard self-righteous heroine giving bhaashan to hero scene...doesn't really count in the larger scheme of things...basically that scene was meant to set the stage for Shivaay getting a taste of his own medicine...doesn't matter if she protested his cutting the line...he had no right to slap money on her face...he got what was coming to him.

I did not say that she always seeked him out. I said in their interactions in the beginning,he was mostly silent and did not give her any bhaav (first two meetings and the meeting at the farmhouse). This is what I meant. She went out of her way to call him out repeatedly and gave her tashan (when that was not required). Okay, I take your point about the mandir incident. But then, how do you explain their next meeting where she gave him that tashan wala look and he ignored her and walked away? It was clearly written on her face that she expected him to recognise her and say something and don't say this isn't true cuz in the gobar throwing episode, she actually confirmed this by implying that she expected him to recognise her in the maha aarti. In their third meeting at the farmhouse, she again went out of her way to call him out and kept talking despite getting no response from him.

Obsession implies dogged pursuit...after this incident, it wasn't Anika who went seeking him, he was the one who made all sorts of wild presumptions based on a few coincidences and then started to actively stalk her for his dumb 3 day challenge.

Not necessarily. At least not for me. Obsession to me implies a fixation with someone that one can't really explain the underlying reasons for. What you do as a result of that obsession is another topic for discussion. Shivaay went about with his obsession by actively stalking her and she went about with her obsession by taking up a job at his house to prove her point and annoy the living hell out of him (which we all enjoyed 😆). How did 'pursuit' come into this? Obsession as a stand-alone point has nothing to do with pursuit. Obsession does not always have a negative connotation, which is what you seem to have derived from my reply. Of course the way Tia implied it had a negative connotation, but if you manage to look past that, the main crux of her assertion was not completely invalid.

And LOL, you seem to have inferred from my reply that I think Billu is not obsessed. Did I ever give that impression? I think both are obsessed with each other EQUALLY which is why ShivIka has come so far. I am looking at this from a neutral perspective, not as an Annika or Shivaay fan.

Further, one sided love, obsession, hatred or anything never goes far. If Annika were not obsessed with Shivaay (as he is with her), ShivIka would have never happened (and progressed this far). And isn't this the crux of their story that they are supposed to be equals in everything and give back to each other equally. So why not in obsession? They are supposed to be 'takkar ke', and the creators have repeatedly shoved this down our throat through various situations (and not just through Dadi and her bhashans), sometimes unnecessarily. So I thought this point would have been driven home by now. 😆

2) Post the dumb challenge...after the way he slapped that blank cheque in her face, I can't really blame her for wanting to win her self-respect back and put him in his place...which she did quite resoundingly when she entered his house...

He did not slap that blank cheque in her face...lol. He just held it up and she chose to take it. You seem to be looking at this quite unilaterally. Again, this is my point. It would have been understandable if she came back in his house had he forcibly taken away her self-respect (like the forced marriage) but here she chose to take the cheque and lost her self-respect and then came to his house (again by choice) to gain it back. It implies obsession cuz why would you bother proving your self-respect to someone you don't care about? Why did it matter to Annika what Shivaay's opinion of her was if she wasn't bothered by him then, as you are saying?

Why would her self-respect depend on his validation of her self-respect?

And why did she NEED to go to his house to gain back her self-respect when she could have done it through other means like perhaps tearing that cheque up and throwing it in his face or even transferring the money back to him somehow? 😆

If we are talking purely about self-respect, it isn't entirely a good idea to take up a job as an employee of the person who has actively tried to ruin you for the past three days. Cuz even if you give him back actively, you will always be limited by the fact that he's the boss and you're only an employee. In the power-struggle between a boss and an employee, the boss always wins. Actually there is no power struggle, the power is always with the boss. So this going to his house to gain back her self-respect is not at all that convincing.

Since the beginning Anika has been shown as the kind of girl who goes out of her way to help people...except she doesn't do it in as OTT cloying a manner as most cliched middle class FLs. Nothing she did till that point denoted obsession...even remotely.

While Billu on the other hand, was busy randomly staring after her, thinking about her all the time instead of his own fiance...obsession use kehte hain...and btw these are his own brothers's words...who likened his obsession with Anika to SRK's obsession with Juhi in Darr😆

Of course Shivaay's obsession was more pronounced, especially because OmRu were used as plot devices to point out his obsession. But you seem to have conveniently ignored those scenes where she thought about him too...lol. For example that scene with Sahil when she saw his face in the newspaper and started thinking about him and scrunched up that piece of paper and chucked it away. Giving him a plethora of nicknames, complaining about him to Sahil endlessly are also indicative of her fixation with Shivaay.

Why did she start calling him Billu if she was not bothered by him? Had she just called him Billu once or twice, it would have been fine. But despite being told repeatedly by him to not call him that, she has not stopped (until only recently when he told her to call him Shivaay). This also indicates her obsession cuz she has not bothered to do the same with his brothers, nor has she made it a point to annoy them endlessly. 😆

Let's also not forget that even before Tia conveniently started her obsession jaap, it was Shivaay who was busy choking internally thinking about what may exist b/w him and Anika...he was the one bringing it up every other scene...

And she went one step further (much before I might add) by suggesting him to reconsider his decision of marrying Tia and asked about his likes and preferences (sherwani scene). She even brought up her disappointment at the fact that he would not consider making a relationship with someone with no name, lineage and bloodline much before. Before that Dev wala misunderstanding in the kitchen scene she inquisitively asked him that would he really not consider being in a relationship/marrying with someone like her?

Annika didn't think about what may exist between her and Shivay? 😆 You might have ignored that again. 😆 After she saved Shivaay by giving ONS alibi, she kept thinking repeatedly why she did that and even had a conversation about Sahil about the same. Had she not been obsessed with Shivaay, she wouldn't have even thought about why she did what she did and that would be at the back of her mind.

3) Anika offering herself as an alibi for Shivaay counts as obsession? Seriously? 😆...So now sacrifice and obsession are interchangeable terms? 😆...Obsession would have been her hanging around the house to jataao what she did...she immediately left instead.

Of course it does. 😛😆 They are not interchangeable terms but they are interlink-able cuz one would not operate without the other. You would not sacrifice for someone you are not obsessed with. That was my point. 😆 She was obsessively in love with him and that's why she gave that alibi to save him. She did not have to jatao what she did, other characters like OmRu were there to do that. 😆

She left only after being insulted by Tia. So she was still hanging around for a bit. 😛

Tia's insecurity is understandable but that's mainly because of Shivaay being drawn towards Anika...are you seriously going to ignore this fact when pretty much EVERY character has been saying this on a loop since day one of this show? 😆...all they do in pretty much every epi is repeat how much Anika affects Shivaay...lol...so how exactly are you turning this around?

LOL, that's your interpretation of why Tia is insecure. Why does what every character does have to do with Tia's insecurity? I look at Tia and her insecurity as a standalone point and don't tie in her reaction with what every single character has done and said in this show. Why would Tia weigh out her reasoning and reach a conclusion based on what other people have to say about Annika's effect on Shivaay? That's just absurd. 😕

Tia had noticed Shivaay is drawn towards Annika from a long time back...In one of the old epis even she asked Shivaay why he is obsessed with Annika. I think she always just ignored this cuz she figured Shivaay wouldn't do anything about his attraction cuz of his principles and she might have even thought it was just momentary infatuation and nothing more. If she had to be insecure cuz of Shivaay being drawn towards Annika, she would have been insecure from a long time back. She only realised the degree of influence Annika has on Shivaay during Ganesh Chaturthi when Annika convinced Shivaay for visarjan. That's when she started showing signs of insecurity.


The only time she even bothered to openly talk to Shivaay about her concerns was after Annika kept hounding her repeatedly to prove her point to Shivaay.

Ofcourse Anika is drawn to him too...yes, she has gone out of her way to try and help him...her pursuing the Tia issue was again in line with her personality and yes that extra level of protectiveness that she feels for Shivaay too...but to turn that all around into a negative connotation implying that she's some despo obsessing over him (as Tia has painted her)...no, I just don't agree with that...and Shivaay has basically run with that explanation...he absolutely repeated it to Om without much skepticism from his end...it soothes his ego to believe he's such a prize catch that Anika must be obsessed with him...it helps him avoid facing the fact that he's always thinking about her.


Negative connotation aside, what Tia said is not completely wrong. Nor has Annika given Shivaay any reasons to believe otherwise. He might have run with that explanation but not with the exact negative connotation that Tia had implied. People do fall desperately in love and there's nothing remotely negative or wrong about that.

Annika is a FLAWED character and isn't perfect. Far from it, in fact. That is all I meant to convey with my reply. Of course Shivaay is MUCH more flawed than her, but this does not take away from the fact that she has her flaws. So highlighting his flaws and pointing out demonstrations of his obsession does nothing to prove that she isn't obsessed. 😆

Originally posted by: YoonHiChala

Annika is a FLAWED character and isn't perfect. Far from it, in fact. That is all I meant to convey with my reply. Of course Shivaay is MUCH more flawed than her, but this does not take away from the fact that she has her flaws. So highlighting his flaws and pointing out demonstrations of his obsession does nothing to prove that she isn't obsessed. 😆

Originally posted by: sinamika

awww 😳😳 i watched this episode yesterday and couldn't stop smiling. this by far got to be the best episode of the show. both of therm killed it with their expressions they were super adorbs and i loved that even then they knew their limits quite well. also this gotta be the first time they talked so sweetly to each other like a full proper convo that didn't end up in a fight at the end😆. her surprised face when he finally said the magical word Thank you😛 bechari anika was like sach main bola ya nahi hehee and then his michi michi practice bilu was so eager to learn the correct pronunciation and him being amazed at anika ki vocab once again was Gold. his amazement at her calling his eyes sundar is just so epic and the fact that he goes on and tells her that even he sometimes wonder about that billu ji really was smitten there by her otherwise he isn't the one to share that kind of details that too with anika😉

and anika to hai hi ek angel sach main bohat hi cute lag rahi thi is scene main esp.

rudy should give them punch more often😆

Coming to the heart condition i saw u all were discussing i toh am always surprised at the amount of gussa billu ji does instead of that caz i thought it worsens the situation😆 but yes i'd also like it to be something like the BALH and less KHNH. i also wonder who will actually realize the LOVE first caz abhi tak toh dono hi clueless hain ke yeh feel kia karte hain ek doosre ke liye.

Originally posted by: geet.a

Today's epi...Sahil was the best part of it. why am i feeling so strangely unmoved?