RaKa(Jatin/Shubhangi) Paradise 4: RD RULZ - Page 54

Originally posted by: anjudiva

I know most of the thread members will disagree with me, but for me JS is just a very pretty face and a nice guy. I am not particularly impressed with his acting talents - mostly he looks sheepish to me - but the guy has a killer smile. And it may be worth watching a whole show for that smile.

HOW COULD YOU SAY THAT!!!!!!!!!!!! 😡😡😡. Take that back NOW or I'll bite you 😆😆😆. You are a meanieeeeee...😡

Originally posted by: JWMRK

Please call me Fatima. JW, i noticed you have no slambook and it is a shame one cannot know more about you as at first glance i'm already impressed.😳

I couldnt resist replying swiftly as your beautiful, thought-provoking post had the wheels turning in my mind so i just had to pen them down.

1. "I cannot comprehend the logic behind committing Shivani to a mental asylum without her family's knowledge or consent but Raunak was human, capable of making mistakes and that was a severe misjudgement. "
Fair enuf...so lets look at another angle.....after hearing from Kasturi that she took the money from his cupboard, cathing her lie when she was not at home for jagrata, bailing her out of the police station, observing her mysteriously leave from work to go for meetings, watching a CCTV camera showing her enter an abortion theater and reading black print of her signing up for abortion...what do we expect Robbie or for that matter anyone to believe...can we use your sentence this way to describe Robbie's reaction of insulting her "I cannot comprehend the logic behind Robbie insulting Kasturi this way..... but Robbie was human, capable of making mistakes and that was a severe misjudgement."

I condemn Robbie's insults of Kasturi as the mounting evidence against her was missing one key element. Kasturi's statement to justify her actions. No doubt the way the circumstances were presented, a reasonable man would have jumped to that conclusion but eyes can easily be deceived. After a while, he was believing want he Devika wanted him to believe.

Nonetheless, he could have cut all ties with her in a less cruel and malicious manner. I understand he was hurting but for a moment did he stop to think that perhaps he had gone too far. Robbie was not as forgiving during that time but he had expected Kasturi to overlook the moments he was a complete jerk to her because it could all be explained by conspirators against their rishta, conveniently diffusing the responsibility . A mere apology would not have sufficed for him from Kasturi back then so why was it adequate when the tables were turned on him.

Except, I do feel that Kasturi could have done more to appeal to Robbie that she was innocent but he made it hard for her due to her growing family problems from being jilted by her aashiq and Robbie relentlessly adding salt to her wounds.

2. "Yet, this incident alone is not enough to question his integrity"
After saving Kasturi's father from a near agni samadhi, rescuing her from Girish's intentions, generally being nice to his employees, fulfulling the duties towards his mother and siblings knowing fully well that the mother and siblings are after his fame and money, ....can we use your sentence this way ..."Yet, this incident alone of him insulting Kasturi over the abortion sequence and his reaction of watching his muh bola brother marrying his girlfriend is not enough to question his integrity".

Like Robina has already stated, both men's integrity is not up for judgement. Robbie shows incidences of a good nature, no one man is infallible, it would be narrow minded of me to presume that he is either all right or all wrong. Robbie just had his fair share of morally grey moments.

3. "Besides that was poor character/story development by the writers who needed a new twist."
So based on above two points can we not write your sentence this way...that "Robbie's seemingly brash, insulting and revengeful actions seemed more horrible only because that was poor character/story development by the writers who needed a new twist."

It would have been if Robbie's behaviour was an isolated incidence. Except we know that before Kasturi gave him the self-belief to make his gentle side more prevalent, he was comfortable with flaunting his brash attitude to the world, as he treated her indecently from their first meeting. He would keep his vulnerable side for his close loved ones. There are character defects in us all, that is reality but we choose to be the person we want to be. I can decide one fine day to live selfishly from that day forward because I have had a bad experience but it is harder to remain grateful and fortunate for life despite the struggles. Raunak would not change his temperament and kind spirit on a whim.

Basically, I just not agree with the way he treated Kasturi, no matter whether Kasturi and Raunak's misjudged actions provoked him. He had time to consider that what he was doing would have profound consequences. He had redeemed himself when he had finally accepted his fate and had resigned to step away from their lives but then he lapsed and again let his emotions get the better of him.

4. "Although, Kasturi is not entirely blame free, she has free will, she could has listened to her conscience and disclosed the truth at any time but a part of her agreed with Raunak that it was best not to."
Truer words were never spoken and I must really thank you for echoing my thoughts . Before blaming Robbie, Raunak and all the others...can all of us see what the devi of samajh, values and tradition did??....lied blatantly to a guy in love with her and smiled to that very guy's friend over his shoulder. I rest my case on her.

Indeed, Kasturi devi roop is definitely guilty of separating two best friends.

5. "In hindsight, they both i.e. RAKA regretted that decision (of not telling Robbie)"
When was that? Can you give me the link of that episode please.

Forgive me as I've not seen all the episodes in great detail. I began to watch properly on the day of Raka's wedding. Although, I felt that it was not expressed in words but it was implied. Unfortunately, the three of them never got to fully discuss what happened because of the circumstances. The wedding was kicking off, the truth had just been revealed to Robbie and in turn Kasturi with Raunak entering at the crucial moment with just enough time to say he would back off. Everything happened so fast that is why Robbie kept taunting Kasturi that she maybe chose the wrong person. If Raunak had not respected Kasturi the way he did during their marriage than maybe she would have had second thoughts. Instead, Robbie made her question the feelings she once had for him.

6. "Raunak is not perfect, he is close but we all have character flaws, without them his character would have been too fictional and idealistic that it would not have been believable."
So if we are magnanimous and mature to see this, then can we not also use your sentence this way...."Robbie is not perfect, and he may not be even close to being perfect but we all have character flaws, without them his character would not have been believable."

I think my above comments have covered my views on this but I'll reiterate that imperfections are human qualities but it is our duty to control them. Robbie did not just have one-off spiteful tendencies, post Raka marriage it became a pattern of behaviour. But nowadays, I appreciate his U-turn back to the loveable Robbie, he is trying and I respect that.

7. "I never asserted that he (Raunak) epitomised truth and honesty but one cannot deny that he had a strong hold on his morals and family values. "
Precisely, well said and therefore as a corollary...can we also see it this way ...."I never asserted that Robbie epitomised maturity and reasonableness...but when it comes to truth and honesty one cannot deny that he has a strong hold on these virtues and his family values too (remember when he tells Ariv to not mess with Vikas?)."

He cautioned him like a good older brother except that it was rather hypocritical of him given the circumstances. He should have realized then that his brother was learning from his example but it was honorable of him to stress that Ariv should not lose his friendship with Vikas. It showed that his enmity never meant to encompass both families, it was directly solely at Raunak.

8."Robbie did have to accept that she was a married woman. He should have let her honour her commitment. He expected her to abandon her marriage for a love that was not yet strong enough to withstand one complex misunderstanding. "
Before I responded to this I checked your location and profile. I am happy that you are part of a much evolved and civilised world and may God keep you away from all the bitter truths of life. But if you are a public personality in India, who is made to feel he is God..why just this...in most cases if you are a guy and brought up like a guy in India, you know largely one thing "I, Me and Myself"...and therefore "this is my car, this is my gym equipment, this is my bike and this is my Woman"....so stay away all... ...Trust me, there are enuf Robbie's in this world than you and I would really want to think. Not that I blame these men, because we all, including the women, help them to believe so. And therefore the things such men do may not look so dramatic in real life...but the thought process of these men in similar scenarios is very much like Mr Robbie Sabharwal. Check up women organisations sites or Aaj tak or NDTV India or CNN-IBN for details.

Thank you for making me aware of this issue. Indeed my viewpoints are from a western perspective where even though you get a range of personalities, it is a less known fact that kind of egocentric sphere of life is bred in this culture.

9. "He has finally understood how to value and maintain his relationships, such as his efforts to mend his ties with his father and caring for Ka's father etc. "
Based on what we were shown much, much earlier, is putting you life in danger and jumping into the fire to save the life of an employee, and perhaps a loved one's father not called caring? Is it not called valuing human life? If not ...then I rest my case.

Good point. It is undeniable that Robbie has a compassionate element to him. He is caring, and I never doubted he values human life. I meant to state that despite these things his rash actions lead him to alienate his loved ones, be it his father; his best friend or his love.

10. "He labelled them as lovers and it was a self-fulfilling prophecy as that is exactly what they became!"
Anybody who has watched a Balaji Telefilms show should know that the lead heroine loves only herself That is why neither Roka nor Raka interest me. Kasturi is in love with two things herself and her i.e. Chawla family...the rest "aate rahengi bahaare, jaati rahengi bahaare" ...phir kisi din I will give you examples of why I think so

I happened to totally agree with this. I applaude your sense of humour, very well said. It is why I shan't have too much high expectations about either jodi because if and when BT decide they can dispense of any romantic angle as long as the heroine is doing justice to her herself and her family.

I dont expect you to agree with what I wrote, but as a friend, if possible, do read and spare a thought. Neither Robbie nor Raunak nor Kasturi is perfect. Nor are they fully responsible for what happened. They all have their strengths and faults. And today if the TRP's so demand BT will show Kasturi falling in love and marrying Vikas or Ariv or Nikhil or that inspector .

Brilliantly written and this is the most poignant paragraph of all. I rest my case in front of the power of these wise words.

I had much pleasure reading your highly adept thoughts and I'm humbled to know that you spared time to consider my drabble. You are a fine writer and it was challenging to contend with you.

The reality, if any, in this serial, as on the basis of what we have been shown to date is this...one may choose to accept or ignore it....That if one were to search for such personalities in real life ...then one may or may not find a devi roop or alternatively revengeful to the extent of marrying a supposed killer Kasturi .....or a forever understanding and sacrificing Raunak...but for sure one will find a "I am human so I make mistakes, I falter, sometimes I am terrible, sometimes I am horrible, I am spoilt....but somewhere I too need love and understanding, I too deserve the dignity that a human gets and not just be looked at as a money making, eye candy, rockstar Robbie Sabharwal. "

That was touching. I shall be seeing Robbie through new eyes as I suppose I tend to overlook his superstar element and perceive him as a reasonable man for which the laws of human virtue stand the same.

I know this is strictly against the rules but I feel I must reveal that since the show is a modified KTH that during KTH I was rooting for Sujal (Robbie) and had admonished Piyush (Raunak) for coming in between two lovers yet interestingly the treatment of the similar track in Kasturi has seen the reverse in me. For reasons that I cannot pinpoint without drawing comparisons.

Take Care and Good Night

@ridha:-

hmmm so i m sweet... dht's why m Anti-popular here...😉

ok..come to d point.... Infact I already mentioned here somewhr.. again I repeat.... it's a very simple funda... ""every action has re-action"" Kasturi doesn't want to say about fake pragrancy on a very first place.. Devika darling actions [ full of surprises one by one] push her to do dht.. otherwise.. on dht day she is totelly out 4m her charcter@all.. dhr is no chance to come back 4 her.. hope u got wat m talking about.. uptill now kasturi is alwyas on defence side.. she never ever attacker... well dear game or war both have set d rules.. once u ready to go dhn u must hav to play according to opp. strategy.. just Wait how dhis "fake pragrancy" save her 4m upcoming track.. & in furture dhis will d best reason to reunit her with Rauank directly...

infact I must thnx devika to carry dhis fake one ,4 converting in concreat dhings.. dhis is indrectly make gr8 help 4 kasturi in furture.. I know u r little bit confused with all.. but whn dhis will be visualize on screen dhn u relize wat I m talking about... 😊

Raunak will never ashamed on her infact he understands her completely & see how will he justify her steps which has been taken by her uptill now, in front of entire family... dht's called Trust & Understanding.... rite now she is exemined her self more rather dhn to give justice to rauank.. it's not easy to live with ur past & still it's not effected ur present & furture.. [ dhis past has totelly U turn & change him 360' degree himself .... ]

Hope u get wat I wanna say.. 😳

@lubna:- wat r u talking dear... u r 4m rawalpindi.. but m sure God is alwyas love & bless with good ppl.. so god is so kind with u & ur famliy members...U & ur famlliy members always in our prayer...😊

@Jw:-

thnx dht u like my one point.. in reply of urs.. I can give another liking points but sorry dear I can't rite it here.. so m happy dht u like it.. 😊

@Dr.zoya:-

so u r busy with work & festival.. areee give my wishes to dr. zarina, dr. josheph & all ur senior collouges... U also arose one good point reg. Jw's point.. rest part I also agree with u.. let's see how much we closed with dht.. 😉 😳

sorry 4 not replying pm's of urs.. rite now M in LA.. one of d heart place of US.. ppl r crazy to enjoy d festival as well as ready to celebrate new year.. i'll reply of all pmz soon...😊

hia angels,

Finally we get the holidays. we are so happy so come here to share with you all.🥳🥳🥳 . Discussion is still going on & on. love to read all the points of fatima, Jw, robina, swehtha,ridha ,sweety & others. 👏

Sweety we need your "vishesh tipnee" here. there are several questions in our mind & we want answers of that. we know you are in LA but try to reply when you get some time from celebrations. some questions comes from Dr. zarina also.

Hia Sweety,

Howza you? here my questions see first time I am coming to ask you so plz reply.

A. I love LA lots. it's a city of gambling right? did u ever visit "Royal Casino "over there?

B. I am very much fond of hindu mythology.My mummy is hindu. I always read your "krishna" & MH theory so tell me why they are chanting "krishna" for Raunak & "Abhimanyu" for Robbie?

c. The most commen question will devika brings Raunak with her from Austraila trip? If not then what is her next step for Kasturi? wait one more question will she succeed in her trip to get the business?

we have some thoughts regrading this one according to us we feel that she is failed to get business.

D. this is not from me but we all wants to know why you & khytee are always closed with prediciton? do you have some sort of connection with BT.😉? [ jokes apart ] tell us seriously plz.

Wish you all angels A Vary Happy & prosperous New Year.

Sweety thankz in advance, but try to answers of all plz.

loving from all the doctors team,

zoya & zarina.

Originally posted by: pardesi-mem

Mods, we acknowledge this is a long post and thanks for letting us take a shot at it😊

@Lubna

Hope your family is well dear. Have you in our prayers.😊

@Anuuuuuuuu
Baby Congratulationssssssssss. 🤗 🤗 Sorry forgot to wish earlier.
Watch Taare Zameen Par...or maybe Will Smith & Welcome. Mujhe bata kasa hai 😊

@Sweety
Whenever you want do write....I will wait for your points. 😊 By the way agree with your view on Kasturi having reacted to Devika and therefore used the fake pregnancy. Though I feel whatever be the reason Kasturi should not have used the most basic joy a woman has in such a horrible way. 😭 Because of this Devika and Kasturi mein kya faraq raha. One is using an unborn child, other is using her born child.
And its my wish to go to US, especially San Fansisco, Niagara falls and Disney as have heard a lot about it. Someday I will 😍 ...Enjoy yourself 😊

@Zoya
Good point again. 👏 Maine waise likha because Nandini used to blame Kasturi even earlier..for example when Raunak decided to go to Italy. I have to agree that Nandini did that because Devika instigated her, though Nandini should have used her brains and not get carried away.

@Mona
Chal ek jhappi hi sahi. 😆...par promise todna nahi haan 😉 ..Hmmn... ya I was hoping they have AM track...Actually, I dont watch KGGK. Kabhi kabhi end up seeing some scenes while doing house chores. Jatin and Maithili had a good chemistry...Loved the scene when he saves her from fire 😳

@Shwetha
"But I do agree with Robina, be it robbie or raunak, they were leading a nice life thank u very much, till our swinging pendulum kasturi entered their lives and messed it up."
Absolutely, convincingly, totally, emphatically agree👏👍🏼....poor guys yaar 😭

@Fatima
I agree with quite a lot of your observations on Devika, Shivani in your response to Robina. 😊 I have to say though that I like Devika a lot for her self confidence, resolve and guts to make it in this world 👏

@Robziiii
Devika drinking Pinacolada on a beach 😆 ...now that is uber 😎


Take care ladies.......have fun 😊

JW