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Posted: 9 years ago
Not just the Ashoka-Kaurwaki scenes, my dear Suyash, but others, like the end of the darbar scene where Ashoka expects his father to embrace him and this does not happen, and again during that bit at the end of the scene where Dharma is ticking him off about his room being in such a mess. Do see my response to Sandhya on page 52, and the one to AKT.JA on page 50 above.

These were all about Ashok, but they need not be always so.

It is these bits that are the real delight of the show. If you overlook them, then it becomes a tiring and largely irritating exercise to watch the show. That is why I left in November last; there was nothing and no one I wanted to look at by then.

As for adding to the plot, my dear, the plot was always a joke, and a bad one. What kind of good historical plot was there before the romantic angle came up? It was a farrago of n0nsense, with a dumb, deluded bunch of good folk - Dharma, Ashoka, Bindusara, and finally even Chanakya - being repeatedly befooled by Helena & Co. In fact the worst of all was Chanakya, the greatest strategic thinker of our country and among the best in the world, being shown going to his death like a sheep to the slaughter, in such an incredibly dumb fashion.

But you must excuse my carping, Suyash, for I have not the least intention of trying to convert you to my point of view, especially when you are all having such a good time roasting the dramatis personae!

Shyamala Aunty



See, since you are all more or less of the same mind about most things here, especially about the unfortunate Kaurwaki (who, as a character, seems to have been almost as ill served by her junior version, whom I have seen only in the flashbacks and in a few Takshashila episodes that were flagged for me, as by her adult version, alas!), there is a certain monotony that is bound to creep into your discussions.

You cannot go on agreeing about everything,so you have to joke about it. Which is fine, and most entertaining, for so many of you seem to be extremely good at hilarious take offs. I have loved almost everything of this kind that I have encountered so far. But it it might be nice to flag and discuss some of the strong and well acted bits too, would you not agree? I have noted and described a few of these in my posts to AKT.JA and Sandhya above, and to .Subha. as well. As it happens, they were all about Ashoka, but that need not be so always,

To take another one, you can detest Kaurwaki as much as you want, and yet find much to appreciate in the scenes between her and Ashoka when she is unconscious. He displays such unexpected protective, gentle tenderness towards her there, so uncommon in such an alpha male, that I was taken aback. He does not just hold her hand, pat her face or stroke her hair, all the usual things shown in such scenes. Instead, both at the beginning and at the end, he deliberately scoops her up into his arms and cradles her with affectionate, caring, protective warmth. Now one cannot dismiss his performance in that scene just because it was Kaurwaki at the receiving end of all this and not Devi, can you?
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Posted: 9 years ago
Well, that is one point of view, with which I do not at all agree, but you are of course entitled to it. But it is not a dictum that all have to accept, is it?

In any case, that was not the whole of my argument. The other excellent bits I have written about above to Sandhya and AKT.JA have nothing to do with Kaurawaki. And if I did not look out for scenes like these, and for the appealing romantic scenes, I for one would lose a lot in the viewing.

Shyamala B.Cowsik

Originally posted by: babur1527


Romantic scenes are just not worth discussing. This is a historical show.

I miss Krystal and Rohini so much.

Edited by sashashyam - 9 years ago
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Posted: 9 years ago
@Shyamala aunty,actually most of the forum members and even somya fans love kaurvaki more as warrior princess.Recently,when kaurvaki was shown fighting bravely with Uttar,everyone in EDT praised her and that day not a single kaurvaki bashing happened. 😃That scene was so good that we even forgot to discuss how did she land up there?
In fact,I myself love all her action scenes.And we all want to see kaurvaki more as a brave warrior than an obsessive lover.


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Posted: 9 years ago
I left the forum partly because I was irritated. Simply because 80% of this show was about KVK.
Even now the show ticks me off with it's KVK obsession and black magic.

But instead of venting people here find other outlets.
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Posted: 9 years ago

Originally posted by: sashashyam

Well, that is one point of view, with which I do not at all agree, but you are of course entitled to it. But it is not a dictum that all have to accept, is it?

In any case, that was not the whole of my argument. The other excellent bits I have written about above to Sandhya and AKT.JA have nothing to do with Kaurawaki. And if I did not look out for scenes like these, and for the appealing romantic scenes, I for one would lose a lot in the viewing.

Shyamala B.Cowsik


No one has to accept anything.

This show was different for us. The heart and soul of this show were Sid-Ashok and Chanakya.

And we all appreciated the political intrigues and the wonderful bond between Chanakya, Bindusar, Ashok and Dharma.

We all loved the rivalry between Sushim and Ashok as well. We also loved the other characters like Subhao, Vasunandan and Akramak and scenes Ashok shared with them.

This show was different from the other shows. Simply because romance was not the focus.

Romantic scenes are not worth discussing to me and many others here. That's all.
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Posted: 9 years ago

Originally posted by: babur1527


No one has to accept anything.

This show was different for us. The heart and soul of this show were Sid-Ashok and Chanakya.

And we all appreciated the political intrigues and the wonderful bond between Chanakya, Bindusar, Ashok and Dharma.

We all loved the rivalry between Sushim and Ashok as well. We also loved the other characters like Subhao, Vasunandan and Akramak and scenes Ashok shared with them.

This show was different from the other shows. Simply because romance was not the focus.

Romantic scenes are not worth discussing to me and many others here. That's all.


Totally agree with you. As I already mentioned many times after the leap, these are the reasons why I didn't want the leap to happen. Firstly because we lost our Sid. Mohit is an excellent actor but Sid was the charm of the show. Secondly I knew they will focus on the love story more than Ashok and his battle to the throne. And lastly, they completely changed the characterizations of almost everyone. This older Ashok has nothing about the younger Ashok. Ok let's say they wanted to show a changed Ashok. Then why not show him as the Chand ? I even think Mohit will be excellent as the angry Ashok.
I was so much in love with Ashok's character that it was always a pleasure to watch him but now not that much. I don't blame Mohit but the writers for their pathetic writing.
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Posted: 9 years ago
Subha dear, the whole plot is pure nonsense. There is no use looking for anything rational in it. Do take a look at my post to Suyash above, which I have altered substantially. That applies to the pre-leap script.

As for the post-leap one, just see the way in which Kaurwaki is shown traipsing all over the countryside and the forest all by herself, looking as neat as ninepins! You or I would be dead ducks in a day. I did not watch the Takshashila track,but I doubt if it was any more authentic. Earlier, so many of Ashoka's heroic CGI-assisted feats belonged properly in a fantasy film, for all that Siddharth was delightful in executing them, with his gymnast's litheness.

Now Ashoka is shown like a bahubali, smashing 20 men to a pulp with his fists, but he is still dumb enough to let himself be laid out with a blow from behind, not once but twice, because he is (a) not alert enough and (b) not smart enough What kind of yoddha is that? Why, so that Kaurwaki can save his life, of course. This is the same old heroine's mahaanta complex. Why can a warrior like Ashoka look after himself better? Does he have to be saved time and again by a woman?

And how did Kaurwaki know where to find him and how did she get there so fast, clambering up that impossible stony slope, as you have wondered yourself? Finally where did she find all that straw to disguise herself like a scarecrow?

Then she is suddenly at death's door, and no one knows how she got back to the palace in that condition. They always are, the leading lights of our shows; I was only surprised that the vaidya did not add the other mandatory The next 48/24 hours are crucial! 😉 But why? What happened for her to lose all that blood? A knock on the head from Uttar is not going to lead to that, surely? And the small bandage on her arm was a very implausible explanation.

Most recently, Sushim has somehow miraculously transported Helena to the tantrik's kandhara before dawn. Which means that he smuggled her out of the palace and actually hauled her up that cliff in the dark! He must have used Harry Potter's Nimbus 2000 broomstick, that is for sure!😉

To revert, I do not like Kaurwaki at all, action scenes or not. Proper action scenes were some of those in Jodha Akbar, with Rajat as Jalal the swordsman. Not these, my dear, if you will forgive me for contradicting you. Kaurwaki's role needs substantial rewriting and a new actress. But my general tendency is to stand up for the underdog, and she is most emphatically the underdog here!😉

OK, I am herewith off this topic for keeps, as you would undoubtedly be relieved to know!😉 For one thing, I have been doing far too much typing, and my fingers, which are affected by rheumatoid arthritis, are now beginning to seize up. It is not only the young who are ill-disciplined!😉

Shyamala Aunty


Originally posted by: .Subha.

@Shyamala aunty,actually most of the forum members and even somya fans love kaurvaki more as warrior princess.Recently,when kaurvaki was shown fighting bravely with Uttar,everyone in EDT praised her and that day not a single kaurvaki bashing happened. 😃That scene was so good that we even forgot to discuss how did she land up there?

In fact,I myself love all her action scenes.And we all want to see kaurvaki more as a brave warrior than an obsessive lover.

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Posted: 9 years ago
So did I, leave the show, I mean,but even before Kaurwaki appeared on the horizon. I was driven away by the depths of incomprehensible folly to which Chanakya was made to descend when he went and got himself murdered, like a sheep going to the slaughter.😡 And this was the greatest strategic thinker of our country and one of the greatest in the world! His spirit must be looking for the CVs to clout them good and proper.

Shyamala B.Cowsik

Originally posted by: babur1527

I left the forum partly because I was irritated. Simply because 80% of this show was about KVK.

Even now the show ticks me off with it's KVK obsession and black magic.

But instead of venting people here find other outlets.

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Posted: 9 years ago
Today's episode was ok.

The actor playing Virat needs to improve his pronunciation and get some expressions on his face.

Now that all the queens have already chosen their would-be DILs,what's the need of this competition then?

After all,both the queens are going to force their sons to marry the gals of their choice.

Anyways,I don't want to see OTTL as Shakuntala.Shakuntala is my favorite play and I don't want OTTL to ruin the character.

The precap looks interesting.Hope OTTL gets hurt due to Helena and Sushim's plan and she won't be able to play the character.
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Posted: 9 years ago
Virat looked better today. At least didn't look weird.

The birdie fight was ridiculously hilarious. 👎🏼 So easily Ashok carried the rocks. At least should have faked that it was heavy.

Can Devi accidently play a role with Ashok ? They will definitely look so good together.

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