Originally posted by: Gudakesha
Now I'm actually wondering if I should quit watching Kaisi Yeh Yaariyan which is not doing anything to justify it's title.
And the only people I blame for this are CVs and Lost Boy production team because they just give into the demands of immature teenage fangirls who watch a show just for the sake of drooling.
First of all I'd like to say that this post is greatly analyzed and you've put up some good points. However, I think your manner of speaking was quite harsh and your "immature teenage fangirls" chants very RUDE. Just because you think of yourself as so wise and superior to all these "immature teenage fangirls" who you do not even know. You know NOTHING about their likes or dislikes, you actually insulted them like they were some brainless bimbo blondes. Well, idk what to say about that. Everyone has an opinion, and opinions can be stated respectfully, debated as well, but let's just not think of oneself as mighty and the other totally stupid. That's totally assholish of you to say and mind you "fangirls" make or break a show. This show, as I've known, has spread like fire for its "word of mouth," in any marketing case, the most effective method is, "word of mouth," and this show has benefited greatly from it. And none of these fangirls, wait, immature fangirls as you so so aptly put are exactly as immature as you like to think. And for just the sake of drooling? literally, you make me want to laugh. But whatever.
Dhruv - The prospective third guy between their favourite couple looks like a "bhai" for her just because they don't have any CHEMISTRY??? Like seriously? And not to forget he becomes the POTENTIALLY NEGATIVE character suddenly so that he doesn't come between MaNan.
AGAIN, difference of opinion. I've a huge amount of "immature fangirls" in my friendlist on fb, and did I mention teenagers, like me, who do not think of Dhruv as the "bhai" or maybe they do, but why? Not certainly because "ONLY" he's coming btw manik and nandini. Come on give people and their brains more credit than they deserve. Chemistry is a huge thing. If they don't see the chemistry btw Nandini and Dhruv, as I myself have yet to see, or maybe Dhruv's growth as a proper potential main protagonist, doesn't mean that their reasons are invalid. You cannot force them to like Dhruv and Nandini just because he's the second guy and so nice, going by your logic, because there again, it's a matter of opinion.
Alya - The hero's ex-girlfriend who is also one of his best friends is hated and turned into a selfish vamp? Just because she doesnt have to come between the leads? And not to forget DhuLya are shipped for the same reason with imaginary cuteness and chemistry (which they don't have any, they are just friends - a part of Fab-5 and Dhruv speaks to everyone among Fab-5 closely not just Manik)
None of us, or a lot of us do not hate Aliya, well I'd speak for myself and most of my friends, who happen to be "fangirls" like me and ouch, happen to also, like the show not for just manan, but for the show itself. We think she like any other character in the show has these different shades to herself. She's not evil, she's not perfect. She's flawed and she makes all these wrong decisions but she has a good side too. Also, a lot of characters, as you and I like to analyze aren't taken across as we like to think. In literally really good books or movies, every single awesome villian is a shade of grey and not black. He has a story, a reason, sometimes twisted and stupid and sometimes, logical and reasonable in his own way, but a lot of people fail to understand it. So maybe people do see one side of her stronger than the other, like a lot of fans of the show, Manik's monster side as the stronger part of his personality, and that's totally okay, because that's their opinion and mine belongs to me.
And I've never really thought much or have had a very strong opinion on Aliya and Dhruv, but oh well, I think my friends ship them because the most I've seen Dhruv opening up after Manik yet is with Aliya. He shares his fears, his confusions, he gets a little playful, he shows a little tantrum, he speaks in a different way or maybe its just screen space politics and Aliya and Dhruv's scenes together are where the characters are getting a new opening. It's where I see Dhruv not following but leading at times, like it happened in a recent scene where he consoled Nandini, though again motivated by Manik, but don't want to go there. And Aliya as well, people see more of her care and good in those scenes and of course now with Mukti. Like I said for me Aliya is a character whose different shades I quit enjoy and so do many others.
Harshad - The guys who was one of the targets of Fab-5 and has been a victim of their bullying suddenly becomes villain (and is supposedly a DARK character and BEYOND REDEMPTION - if they know what is the meaning of redemption in first place and and which are the sins that are beyond redemption)
Like literally. In the start of the show I used to be a huge Harshad shipper. There was a huge point where I wanted so badly for him and Navya to get together after I'd gotten over him and Mukti's monotonous angst. I saw his care for her and the potential and i wanted it to happen. But yes there are a few making and breaking points. If not to others be true to yours. I remember when Manik had missed his performance. His team of friends had supported him like anything, without a care in the world. Given it was not musicana and not fatal, given they're life old friends, but Harshad's reactions to Nandini's mistakes were downright cruel and weighing heavy on the wrong side. Every day I wish to see this man erring. This man pondering, this man closing his eyes in pain, in pain, yes, or I want to see this man hurting but I only see obsession, a red haze that's growing sharper and sharper. Have you read Lolita? It's a classic. The protagonist of the novel is a pedophile. Yes, you've heard me right. A pedophile who seduces a young girl and does despicable things. Why do people love that book so much? Because of his satirical derogation of his own character. Because Humbert Humbert knows he's an immoral son of a bitch. And so much more that I don't want to go in deep. With Harshad, it's simply arrogance. Now I don't hate him, but yes nowadays hes simply annoying the hell out of me, or maybe his character growth has paused somewhere. And it'll be interesting to see how he goes ahead. but ermm I don't think people who find him as annoying as I do nowadays are any wrong. Like people who find Manik totally cruel and despicable aren't wrong in their place?
Mukti - Confined to sleeping with different men and taking anti-depressants. She has no role more than this.
Navya - Isn't this show Navya's story too? Her journey from a small town to her dreams via SPACE Academy? Did CVs forget this? And she is limited to drooling on Harshad.
I do agree. Very much.
Cabir - suddenly people sympathize with him and call him GREY while Harshad is BLACK. Ofcourse person who puts up a nude video and nude pics in a LOCKED NOTICEBOARD OF A COLLEGE - his crime suddenly looks less punishable or rather not punishable at all infront of the one who has revealed his sexual orientation. If we want LGBTs to have their equal rights to us then shouldn't their punishments be equal too? Why should we overlook their gruesome mistakes just because they are LGBTs and we feel it's out right to PITY them?
CABIR! Karma is sick and suckerpunches you in the gut, doesn't it? Of course it does. I'd like to analyze all the characters in a show, like an "immature fangirl" and say that every human being in the world has a reason to be who they're. All of us, black white, grey. Well I think most of us are grey, that's who we are, but of course Cabir has done some despicable things. But, if you saw the episode where he broke up with Raghav I also saw his vulnerability. And if you remember Humbert Humbert or maybe american psyco? You'll know that to attack a reader's conscious, to make them like a despicable character a writer has its set of tool, and aptly used, they do wonders. One of them is vulnerability. Cabir's vulnerability shone through when he talked of this "society" and the confrontation with Manik. His angst and his frustration for a world that does not accept it, his loathing and his dislike for their prejudices came out, and we got to know that he, in his own way, is rightful and that this world is definitely mean and harsh. And his bitterness came in the form of bullying, now i'd like to elaborate but that'll be another 100 lines but we can do that sometime, so of course, what he did was not right, but from his pov, he blamed this society, these people, and wanted to exploit their wrongs, their moments of weaknesses, and I think right or wrong, he knew that's how the world went on. Also, I'm hoping after his acceptance he changes a little now, I personally miss his old funny whacky self a lot. And of course Karma is a bitch, so what Harshad did, is something Cabir used to do, but in a sense, the show has progressed 70 episodes, people have actually connected with the characters now as compared to 70 episodes before. Now they feel for them, and they feel it deeply. I think same is the case of Cabir, which is again another writer's technique used nicely.
All that we see on screen is MaNan MaNan and MaNan.. I love them too.. But definitely not at the cost of the story. As a regular viewer of TV shows I want something new.
In western shows there are no fixed couple. Because that is not the case in real life too.
There is a talk that Manik is so called looser and poor guy because everyone depends on him.
That is NOT the case. That is simply in fangirl's head because they cannot see anything beyond Manik. If Fab-5 depends on Manik, Manik depends on them too. Without Fab-5 Manik Malhotra is nothing. He is a ZERO. And even Nandini Murthy cannot fill the void of Fab-5 in his life. These are the same friends who ended up at Manik's house at late night UNEXPECTEDLY ONE BY ONE Just to see how he is and how is he feeling, if he is ok and not upset. That is their friendship. Just a message, not even a call from Manik and they forgo their sleep and run to him at late hour. Please tell me how do it? (without giving excuses of transport, safety etc etc.. That is fab-5 friendship) They chose Manik as their leader because they are a not just a group of friends but one gang too and every group and gang has to have a leader just like how a cricket team and a classroom has a captain and a monitor respectively, because there will be issues and there will be events and someone has to take the decisions for everyone. So Manik was chosen. That doesnt make him a "bechaara" or whatsoever.
of course, since their opinion varies you'll put the "Fangirl" tag again. Of course none of are stupid to think that their friendship is simply using Manik. None of us ever felt so. Their friendship is strong since the start of the show and you see that in all those instances, but we'd clearly say Manik is the one who gives the most to this group. How many instances where Manik had to be the one to back them up? compared to its vice versa? WE think that Manik gives way too much and it's shown. He's selfless when it comes to his gang and let's not forget his warning to Harshad. It was the point where he was ready to destroy himself along with Harshad only if it'd save his friends. His sacrifice for Dhruv, logical or not, it cut him to pieces, his giving up his spot, logical or not, he didn't want to, his looking out for Cabir again and again and so many instances. And, yes, it does keeps him two steps ahead of his gang because he IS THERE CARETAKER more or less. We can disagree on this point but people react to what they're showed. I'm hoping to see Fab5s reaction to him and Nandini in the near future.
Honestly there are too many flaw in Manik's character - No, I'm not talking about the bullying part.
Manik says that love is trust and broke up with Alya just because she could'nt trust him. Did he once retrospect why she couldnt trust him? She may have seen him bullying many girls, taking friendly with many girls, Mukti - who roams around him in bikinis and spends time alone with him - she trusts her and trust him with her, then why couldn't she trust his equation with Nandini? Because he was actually obsessed with her - which is equal to cheating in a relationship. This sensitive issue not highlighted in the show, nor it is ever spoken in this forum because as long as they show hot MaNan chemistry everything is ok, isnt it? Since indai-forums comprises of 99% of girls, i would ask them to put themselves in the shoes of Alya and think. (since it is the tendency that people may have put themselves in the shoes of Nandini because they like Manik to get obsessed by them) So in this case even Manik broke Alya's trust, so which trust is he talking about?
Cheating, really? His whole gang knew Nandini was his spot. He called Nandini late night IN FRONT OF ALIYA and called her to his house. I think Manik never thought he has to explain his all actions to Aliya because you put according to him she trusted him and he trusted her, so much that he didn't believe her when she told him that she sent those goons. Everytime when he had to explain to her that he wasn't with Nandini doing something wrong, (except of course bullying) but Aliya herself was a bully, so she shan't have a problem with that right? And since start we were given clues that their relationship wasn't that strong. Maybe less on Manik's side, that dates thing and stuff but Manik was with her, and he kept explaining to her again and again, and I saw no instance of cheating. No instance where he tried being with Nandini. Yes he was obsessed, and his obsession was quite different. It came out of his need for revenge and in those days I seriously wanted him to suffer a lot. And now he is suffering. But he also said to Aliya, that 7 years and you still don't trust me? And about the short skirt thing, I think it was NEVER physical appearances. To Aliya Manik's obession with Nandini was internal. And the issue was how Navya tried to manipulate Aliya and she was manipulated, so so easily. Why? Manik even left Nandini as his spot for his team. He threw her out of the college, a very wrong act on his part, and there were many more instances.
And yes attraction cannot be controlled.
but actions can be, at times, reactions, too.
And all the time he and Aliya were together, I didn't see him actually cheating.
When he broke up with Alya, he did not show a single sign of remorse or pain - she has been with him for SEVEN YEARS Dammit! And they are showing that all that they had between them is passion, or physical attraction and the only thing they both did together is sleep with each other. (yes, they did and no one among Fab-5 is virgin except Dhruv)
Yes, maybe I'd love to see a little more remorse and heartache on his part, too. But their bond from the start wasn't exactly spiritual. It was more "we are the couple" for me. I personally think the track those days went pretty fast, with manik and nandini being enemies to lovebirds, i was like did i miss something? for me it went a little too fast.
Coming to Dhruv - his character growth stopped somewhere in this MaNan fiasco. Dhruv is the only one who completely understands Manik. When he broke up with Alya he did not tell anyone - but without saying anything Dhruv understood they broke up. He punched Manik when he apparently sent goons behind Nandini because Manik is CAPABLE of doing such a thing. Yes, he is, you can't deny that. But when Manik said one word that he "did not" send the goons - Dhruv believed him because his buddy will never lie to him. (Don't argue that Nandini had to convince him - because at that time Manik did not say anything after punch - it was only later when Dhruv patched up that he said he did not send any goons - before that he did not deny it)
Of course, his growth stopped. And about Manik being capable of such a thing? Well, Manik was hurt because he thought Dhruv knew him implicitly and he knew he won't ever do such a thing. And maybe there is a limit for Manik, and there was. He would never harass a girl like that. And well i dont want to get in that debate but simply to put more than anyone Dhruv should've known Manik and in that instant Manik was hurt. And Dhruv's growth has definitely stopped, and that is one whole reason why people cannot connect with, him atleast I totally can't, because Dhruv? Dhruv do this, dhruv do that, he literally follows majority of times. I want to see him, his personality. I want individual frames where Dhruv is standing and we see him from his pov, where he's staring at his star, or anything, where he's pondering, Where DHRUV is making a decision, where Dhruv is making a mistake, where Dhruv errs, where Dhruv is simply not shown from a second point of view, and please let those scenes be apart from him drooling or dreaming. So just because people don't connect to dhruv you cannot blame them.
Now coming to the most useless argument on why he could not read Manik's eyes being said when he said he loves Nandini - Dhruv is human - not some antaryami baba. He has never seen MaNan talking to each other like humans in first place. If only he had seen such or even better if he had seen shayad yehi hai pyar dance then he would have immediately known that Manik loves her - just like he figured it out that when his breakup happened.
it is funny how you just explained that Dhruv knows Manik better better than anyone. And eyes? Manik's whole body language had changed, the way he was speaking. it wasn't about guessing. it was simply, "Manik, you don't look okay. Tell me what the hell happened?" kind of pursuing. Well it was more expected but if it didn't happen not a big deal for me, personally.
The point is Manik keeps too many secrets from his friends and he expects everyone to come out clean with him. You can only demand what you are capable to give.
He did not trust Dhruv with his little secret that he and Nandini are a couple, he did not trust Dhruv that he will understand him, then what right does he have to demand trust? What right does he have to give lectures on trust and surround his ideologies on trust?
FIRST OF ALL The fact that you're stating again and again about Manik hiding his feelings for Nandini from everyone, here it is. Their affair was very new and very sudden. Manik was in the phase of analyzing his feelings. Also, he did not want to be abrupt about it. If you noticed carefully, in that one day only, he asked Nandini twice and told her twice
"Kuch batake jaoo taake hum apne friends ko kuch batasakein."
and before that where he was like so let's tell them and what should we tell them.
A relationship is a private thing between two people. He was WAITING for Nandini's approval so they can tell anyone or everyone, he was waiting to actually first hear out her feelings, and that was respecting and giving them some time to develop before telling his friends since of course Nandini isn't exactly the dreamgirl of fab5 and his and Aliya's equation, too. Also, fab5 was totally cool when Cabir abruptly introduced Rose. Because with relationships its about two people. With Manik and Nandini it happened quite suddenly and they were both in btw a lot of things and Manik couldn't go all of a sudden and tell Dhruv, hey buddy i'm in love with Nandini. Cool right?
He felt betrayed and hurt when Cabir lied to him and hid his secret from him - but Manik did you tell your secret to him? You lied every moment, on every step to him regarding your progressing relationship with Nandini, you lied why were you so late when Mukti attempted suicide, when you didnt turn up for musical intra competition and most importantly your break up with Alya and final nail in the coffin your affair with Nandini - and you expect everyone to bare their souls to you and you have fun at their expense? How fair is it? Please CVs, show Manik as the ultimate bully but dont show him as a HYPOCRITE.
First of all, like I said, that progress happened VERY VERY FAST. And I've shared my opinion on relationships above ^^ Also what should've he said. Hey people suddenly i want to kiss nandini, suddenly she's not so bad, oh btw he did say that lost in his own world to dhruv, suddenly like yesterday i was so in need of something and hugged, her yesterday nandini was drunk and i had all these stupid feelings for her. In those days neither did Dhruv tell Manik his feelings or anything. I think it was because it was in the building phase and Manik himself hadn't quite come to terms with it. His breakup with Aliya was hidden for purely good reasons on his part but of course, I wouldn't say that hiding it was such a good thing but he also said just till musicana, anyway, secret is a secret. I do agree on the point of hiding where he was part. But you cannot compare that secret to Cabir's. Manik was shocked that Cabir felt "Ashamed" of not being able to tell his own bestfriends about his "IDENTITY" Not for a few days, but for YEARS! Cabir's secret was HUGE. HUGE. It was about his identity, his existence, his personality, more importantly Manik was simply shocked.
(^^^ I'M SURE THIS ISSUE WILL NEVER BE ADDRESSED IN THE SHOW AS WELL AS IN THE FORUM, BUT I HAVE WRITTEN THIS ONLY FOR RETROSPECTION - TO LOOK AT RATIONALITY AND DEEPER INSIGHT INTO MANIK'S CHARACTER.)
Having broken Alya and Dhruv's trust, he hadn't kept Nandini's trust either. A silly argument has come up that does Nandini really love Manik? Why didn't she trust his feelings when she made the promises of trusting him forever? Now this is the moment where you have to keep yourself in Nandini's shoes. A guy whom you have hated so much, suddenly shows his physical attraction towards you in missed kiss attempts and then suddenly becomes nice to you, and after a drunken sequence you fall in love with him, knowing of his breakup you start and affair with him and kiss him and suddenly the next day you hear it was all a farce, a perfect betrayal - what are you supposed to do? If you fell in love with a friend or a person whom you have known for years then she may not believe any such things - but here she fell in love with an enemy and a person whom she knows barely two months out of which it has only been a week since you spoke like a human with him. How is she not supposed to believe him? Why is a woman scorned blamed for a hot dashing Byronic Hero? Why are we taking online medium as a platform to shut off our brains and rationality?
WOW you ended up making their whole love physical and lusty. Of course they were physically attracted, I mean lust is necessary in love otherwise love is totally platonic, and so is strong attraction for that person you love, physical attraction, but did you totally miss out the storeroom scene? The singing scene? the scene where he actually asks her not to go, bares his vulnerability to her? Where he changes in so many ways, from the point where he's "I would never explain a thing to anybody" yeah that's a dialogue in the show, to " I broke up with Aliya," where he's touched that she added him to her prayers, where he stops her from kissing him, where he tucks her to bed, where he lies to her chachi, where she gifts him that star gift, and so much more. Again for me their transitioning to getting together was superfast and abrupt but there were a lot of meaningful scenes and development. Wanting to comfort her when she'd fallen? Most importantly what he did for Rishabh? I think the reason they fell in love was because she SAW that there was way too much good in him than bad and that good he hid behind the monster Maanik and she confronted him about it again and again and she was the one who told him she knows that he, in her words, is a hero.
SO foolish hi sahi, Maanik in his childish, foolish heart wished for her to trust him and maybe people are pondering on the trust factor so much simply because Manik and Nandini have emphasized it so much, it's altogether a presence in the show. TRUST=LOVE.
And so people would rightfully think and their opinions again aren't wrong. It's a matter of thinking and I believe that to trust is a long journey and im intrigued of how it'll play out.
Regarding Nandini, well her character is very much unreal unlike Navya's character which is very much real and a perfect mix, but Nandini's - No. But very serene to watch onscreen. Such miss-goody-two-shoes characters are necessary in a show. So I have no complaints.
If CVs don't want to make this show TRP-centric and have any intentions to break the cliche, then here are few things I would like to see in MTV Kaisi yeh yaariyan.
CVs don't want to make trp is the most illogical sentence I've ever heard. You sponsoring the show mate?
1. Harshad falling in love with Navya (screw the chemistry because even Parth and Niti did not have chemistry until they showed those almost kiss proximity scenes)
2. Dhruv and Nandini being a beautiful couple for few months, then break up and make MaNan the end game with another beautiful journey (to break the cliche since we never saw love triangles in shows - there were only possibilities but not implemented) - Oh yes, don't care about chemistry here too because my neurons are more in control than my hormones. Nandini has right to move one from the guy who did the so-called-sacrifice breaking her trust and his friend's trust.
3. Fab-5 occupying 80% of screen space rest 20% for MaNan, in shot all the EIGHT character to have EQUAL SCREEN SPACE.
4. Dont drag stupid suspense too long - like Nayonika-Raghav, Manik's dad, Harshad-Manik, Harshad-Nayonika, Harshad-Mukti and last but very important Dhruv-Rishabh and their attacks. You should learn from GEC channels and their top shows on how to deal with suspenses (Minus Balaji shows, because they are horrible with it, hence they are on bottom of the table)
LIKE REALLY? THOSE SAAS BAHU DRAMAS? ERR.
5. Show some passion for music in NH3. Showing fab-5 as the invincible band and NH3 can win only by cheating is so unreal and cliched. Whenever a new band comes there will be new-ness, people look forward to that band first and new-ness is the thing which always tops (take examples from real bollywood music - how Aashiqui-2 music broke away from stereotypes and won the audience)
Not for a single moment did NH3 win by cheating. Harshad wasn't behind Manik's disappearance and again this time Fab5 won because Nandini couldn't perform, so in a way they showed, they showed, that NH3 is no less than FAB5 and the only reason it lost was because of that one blunder. So we still don't know which team is the best.
6. Finally, please show us about friendship - do not thrive on chemistry always. Don't show Manik as Nandini-obsessed love struck puppy (which you have already shown initially and I felt like i have seen this umpteen times on Indian youth shows) Show him a man of guts who can do anything for his friends and trusts them the same way as he expects them to be.
OR
If you cannot show anything as such then show MaNan reunion right away and instil some more kissing scenes or take permission for some bed scenes and show even those and run your show based on fangirling and internet views. You'll end up like the once upon a time top show of your rival channel which is struggling for trps now inspite of still being top in channel.
God Bless Everyone
Love,
Tich.
P.S: I'm not against proximity scenes. And you can make it out from my DP icon. Infact I'm happy TV shows are not shying away from showing actual kisses. But anything of too much is irritating. Ultimately if story and new-ness/freshness is not there, everything goes down the drain.
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