Role of Religion in Public Schools? - Page 5

Originally posted by: mermaid_QT

I am completely with you on this V, but I just don't have faith that we have enough people to build such a strong system! I'd love to be a part of it. But I cannot even count numerous people I love and like to contribute to such a system! I wish adults were as convinced about the highlighted part as we both are! See where I come from? Every place I quoted you, I said I agree, but are we ready yet 😳.. Are we a majority yet??

that is the beauty with democracy, you look for a candidate who you think will come close to the position you desire.If you support a candidate who is totally against the idea things like this, then this will never happen.

Originally posted by: Gauri_3

oh, I, on the other hand, was never very religious to begin with. I believe in god but don't really practice all the rituals of hinduism to the hilt even though i grew up in a very religious minded family. my parents never forced us to follow any thing we did not want to...and i was always way too lazy to take my bath early in the morning and then do pooja😆 i don't mind doing pooja if that bath hitch so early in the morning is not there😆 you can call me a non-practising hindu and that's why i really don't care whether my kids are learning about hinduism at school or not. I have most of the answers to questions they ask. those i don't know, i find the answers for them. that said and done, i would never change my religion ever either. i am proud to be a hindu as my religion gives me the flexibility to think on my own and set up my own way of connecting with my god. that's the best thing i like about hinduism. still, i believe as long as we stay a good human being and do not harm others intentionally, we are okay😊

moral of this post...start spelling Gauri's name correct going forward and you'll be okay...with your camu, neitsche.....😛 😆

👏 very true i agree with all u said.

Originally posted by: sareg

QT & Gauri

Your point seems to be

keep religion out of school

1. b'cos we dont even have mature adults who can handle religion

2. We already have religious schools and they are causing havoc enough

3. By not having religion in school you are saying parents are capable to teach their children tolerance

4. Children are impressionable

you missed the main point here Vineet. I feel that values/ethics class will teach all the morality to kids which a religious class will teach. schools are having such classes regularly. i know because i have two kids, one will be in 2nd grade and the other one in 8th grade. they know a lot about what's right and what's wrong and the "why" of it all. please read Raj's post and my response to it. you'll undersatnd what I am saying. I really don't feel that WE HAVE TO teach religion for instilling good moral values. Parents are responsible for inculcating good moral values and schools do have programs to further instill and enhance them. i just don't see the need to teach religion to reinforce what the kid should be learning at home.

My POV

1. we have mature adults who went through the current system that you so support and cant show religious tolerance

2. Why are religious schools popular? B'cos parents think their children need to be equipped with knowledge of religion, the thing that you are opposing

religious schools are popular because parents want their child to learn in depth of their religion. not just the main teachings but stuff like reading and undersatnding ramayan, bible and quoran. your side of debator, qwerty, even taunted me saying that he is not asking for kids to learn how to do yagna at school. i never took this extreme view and won't do that now either. even if schools introduce religion as a subject, i doubt they will cover as much depth as actually reading the scriptures. values religion teaches...that ethics classes deal with tha just fine currently.

3. If Parents are so capable of teaching their chiildren about religious tolerance, why do we have so much fear about religious volatilty? why do we have so many fanatics?

look at the particular section where you see this fanaticism and volatilty and then ask this question. i don't want to start on terrorism and factors encouraging it, shiv sena's crusade against valentines, converting people to christianity.. all over again. we have beaten that horse to death multiple times.

4. Children are impressionable and the parents who cant teach their children tolerance are a real danger, lots of them are able to teach kids tolerance, great👏, what about ones who teach intolerance to these impressionable children?

believe it or not, school can do only so much. that's why you see professionals' kids getting great grades and blue collar workeres' kids barely passing by...generally speaking. not talking of exceptions here. my daughters go to american school like every one else but they have a heavy influence of indian culture because that's what we have at home. no matter how good a job school is doing at teaching religion, which i doubt they will do ever, the atmosphere and mentality of parents will reflect on kids no matter what.

kind of defeats your argument right there

you said it...not me. please don't declare yourself a winner by self proclamations😉😆 we are not done presenting all our views yet😊

Religion does not teach anyone fear, what you seem to be portraying here is fear, fear that what the big bad school will do? Well it is secularism, not minority appeasement, equal time to all religions, Atleast kids will come out of school saying hey religion is not bad, there are people who dont understand what religion is and those are the ones who want to put that intolerance in me

hahaha...very fancy dancy thoughts that have no merit at all.

i am not afraid here. i just don't want schools to meddle up with what is so personal to me and my family. another thing is - problem is not how kids will recieve it. they are getting ethics lessons as it is so their moral base is covered. problem is

1)how adults react to it and make an issue out of mundane things. in texas, there was a lawsuit in 2001 by a morman parent who questioned the use of word "god" in pledge the children recite in school every day!!! just imagine these frivolous lwa suits and the rate at which they would multiply once schools take over what is family's responsibility in the first place!!!

2) Resources-ever thought about where you'll get all the teachers to teach various religions. i am sure you are not hinting at some half as*ed arrangement here where any teacher, be it science, english, or math, will come and start teaching religion since you mentioned that you want schools to teach in such depth that parents do not have to send their kids to religious schools ever!!! So, one teacher per religion, one classroom per religion......i can go on and on but i guess you are smart enough to get the picture here😊 I would rather that schools use this money to enhance their academic and athletic programs. religion..i feel parents should cover at home.

all i am saying is that teaching religion just to instill good moral values has no merit at all because schools have other non-religious programs that they are using very effectively to coach kids on morality. how much one grasps and retains depends on the family environment. you can not take away the impact family has on young impressionable minds.

First religion...next you'll ask that schools start admitting new born itty bitty babies as well so that lazy bum parents don't have to worry about molding their child at all!!! Height of irresponsibility here i say😛

Originally posted by: Gauri_3

First religion...next you'll ask that schools start admitting new born itty bitty babies as well so that lazy bum parents don't have to worry about molding their child at all!!! Height of irresponsibility here i say😛

You are right Gauri...........The system itself asking religion,so In skool if we teach about religion its not a bad thing.....In india we have religious freedom, thats why We not ask a girl why you wear skaaf or dont ask a boy why put Thilak on forhead......one fact is that In india Cristain missioneries give lot of contribution in education sector...No matter their intension.

Originally posted by: Believe

You are right Gauri...........The system itself asking religion,so In skool if we teach about religion its not a bad thing.....In india we have religious freedom, thats why We not ask a girl why you wear skaaf or dont ask a boy why put Thilak on forhead......one fact is that In india Cristain missioneries give lot of contribution in education sector...No matter their intension.

oh...i was under the impression that we are discussing amrican public school system here. but my thoughts are same on religionand school anywhere in the world.....do not mingle them😊

Originally posted by: Gauri_3

oh...i was under the impression that we are discussing amrican public school system here. but my thoughts are same on religionand school anywhere in the world.....do not mingle them😊

Communist countries like cuba,Venuzela itself asking religion in skool...so i think its common in all places............😊

Originally posted by: Gauri_3

i am not afraid here. i just don't want schools to meddle up with what is so personal to me and my family. another thing is - problem is not how kids will recieve it. they are getting ethics lessons as it is so their moral base is covered. problem is

1)how adults react to it and make an issue out of mundane things. in texas, there was a lawsuit in 2001 by a morman parent who questioned the use of word "god" in pledge the children recite in school every day!!! just imagine these frivolous lwa suits and the rate at which they would multiply once schools take over what is family's responsibility in the first place!!!

So the problem is not with children it is a problem with the parents😉, The parents you want to entrust with the responsibility of teaching the kids religious tolerance, it is them who are not mature enough to handle religious differences, well how do you expect them to actually teach kids religious tolerance to their children? isnt it better that every kid learns the same lesson about all religions instead?

2) Resources-ever thought about where you'll get all the teachers to teach various religions. i am sure you are not hinting at some half as*ed arrangement here where any teacher, be it science, english, or math, will come and start teaching religion since you mentioned that you want schools to teach in such depth that parents do not have to send their kids to religious schools ever!!! So, one teacher per religion, one classroom per religion......i can go on and on but i guess you are smart enough to get the picture here😊 I would rather that schools use this money to enhance their academic and athletic programs. religion..i feel parents should cover at home.

Dhoondnese to bhagwaan bhi milte hai😉

all i am saying is that teaching religion just to instill good moral values has no merit at all because schools have other non-religious programs that they are using very effectively to coach kids on morality. how much one grasps and retains depends on the family environment. you can not take away the impact family has on young impressionable minds.

Teaching religion is to teach there are different religions and what their teachings are, morals, ethics it depends on individual child whether to take it or not, all they have to know is there is something like Hinduism that exists, and what positives Hinduism brings, similarly with Christianity/Islam. It doesnt depend on what family environment allows them to grasp, it is how much the child wants to grasp😉

First religion...next you'll ask that schools start admitting new born itty bitty babies as well so that lazy bum parents don't have to worry about molding their child at all!!! Height of irresponsibility here i say😛

I have no idea what you were getting at, but since you brought that up, actually have you heard of a concept of day-care😉

In seriousness I am all about personal accountability, what I am saying is this is actually the job of a parent, parent is not doing that well, hence the religious intolerance, so why not the school do it, after all religion is a big part of our life, school is supposed to be teaching us to be prepared for our future life, so it should include religious tolerance too

Originally posted by: sareg

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I have no idea what you were getting at, but since you brought that up, actually have you heard of a concept of day-care😉

😆😆 not much different than the concept of sunday schools, madarsas, chinmaya missions i would say. if you are not asking public school system to replace day cares then why are you so hell bent on public schools replacing the religious schools😉😆

rest of your points in red...all repeatitive arguements and i refuse to get drawn in a loop😛