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Posted: 11 years ago
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Nice reviews from everyone, some very different takes which made it fun! 😊

It felt like today's episode was the second half of a twofer - it took yesterday's and today's episode to put the picture together for me. It's about starting afresh, yes - but not just starting with a clean slate but going back to fix everything that was done wrong the first time. Then it was revenge, ego, control, now it's about love. It is about Shlok being the man Astha first fell in love with but for real. Not that the oversized ego and the compulsive need to control are going away, but they can co-exist, cede sometimes even to love. dsr11, I liked your comments about this is yesterday's thread and also the way you looked at compromise and I agree. Most of the time change is incremental and about a few facets of one's personality but change sometimes can be a fundamental/core one too. One of those will come up for Shlok pretty soon when he has to choose between his father and his wife.


I don't doubt that he will fight such a huge change tooth and nail or that it rock the foundations of his fledgling relationship with Astha. He did tell Astha that he was willing to give her all kinds of leeway provided she didn't hurt his sainted baba. That's his line in the sand. Bingyy if you're setting that up as a test for Shlok's love for Astha, then he will fail. I'm pretty sure we don't need to wait to find that out. But why should that be the acid test? He failed that one with Swati, the first go around he will likely fail Astha too. So I don't see how that proves that one is his unattainable true love and the other is his safety blanket.


The point to me of the terrace scene (apart from cheesy romance! 😃) was that Shlok was able to find a way to get his own way and keep Astha happy too. The ultimate happy solution where they both win but it isn't going to be so easy from now on I think. The apology was a nice - it was sincere and it seemed heartfelt, although the going down on one knee seemed much to me. I'm not one for the grand gesture but he was doing that to be Astha's Shlok I think, which is kinda sweet! It did occur to me that we're seeing some of the joys of fiction - Shlok goes down on one knee and apologizes, plays the romantic lover and with that he erases the world of pain he put Astha through that well near destroyed her. Ah... that real life could be so easy, so tractable! 😆 The apple scene - meh! I'm not a big fan of having allegorical scenes force fed, so it didn't do much for me. I



Of course, the most interesting part of the episode to me was the Sojal drama that ensued, particularly the way it went down. Everyone feels for Sojal, but no one dares to stand up for what is right. Anjali the enforcer is setting herself up for another world of pain and it won't be easy to watch. The scene that really grabbed me was manipulator par excellence playing Shlok - he blames Anjali for all the ills, takes on the halo of a martyr who has to compromise to keep the peace for the greater good. Shlok who comes in to plead his bhabhi's case not only walks away empty handed but even more convinced in his baba's greatness and his mom's unworthiness. Smooth, Niranjan Agnihotri - very smooth! 😛

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Posted: 11 years ago
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Nice review by all. Today's episode had the required emotional quotient and was lifted by the acting of Avi, Geetanjali n Varad where we got to see their REAL EMOTIONS.
Regarding the mangalsutra that shlok tied to aastha, I think it is a new one as he broke the locket on SR. Aastha was only wearing the string n that was off since Holika fire incident. The trying of it was v symbolic and felt real.

We are going to be left with a cliffhanger tom as it is the swikriti cermony n aastha will see the real face of NA. Next week is going to be very dramatic. Wonder if we will still get more romantic ashlok scenes???
Edited by nim_var - 11 years ago
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: Myra.nelly

Shlokie trying to be fierce, to scare ashta..

Myra, so Shlokie is now Shaq - much better choice than sleeping beauty, Rupanzel or Cindrella. Shlokie was very cute in that scene.

I actually liked the scene, he was very hillarious, his laugher sounded sick like in a bad comedy show😆 seriously, thought he was high on smth😆 anywhoo, all those weird noises he made there were to scare ashta as if a monster came to wisk her away..and so he did, walking just like Shrek did, around his swamp... I liked this scene but not the terrace one. Shlok was so sweet and unlike himself that I got sugar rush by watching the scene.

The other scene i liked today was shlokie appologizing to ashta, his voice was weak and soft, almost on the verge of crying..he was down on his knees..just like he had to for everyth he put her through..his eyes were honest.. he felt what he said.. i liked the moment, but the music ruined it for me.. it was the same violin song of when swati died.. seriously cvs?😕 whats up with this blunder? now should i think that violin is "shlokie on the verge of crying" soundtrack? Maybe the music is representing the true emotions coming through. I liked Shlokie in this scene and I liked the apology scene because it showed this new Shlok who still has traits of old Shlok - in everything even when he was teasing Astha.
Anywhoo..we have noticed her balck thread dissapearing, it seems that shlokie was the culprit..he took it and actually kept the heart pendant..so i wonder, he was hurting inside aswell when he ripped that off her neck? this guy some times is a total enigma.. Yup, he is quite deep. So he kept that thread when he was telling her that the marriage meant nothing to him. So it was more than revenge that made Shlok marry Astha.
i liked his lines of ashta being his forever..this boy is still insecure if this time he can love forever and not be dissapointed..thats it, i am giving him his his subscription back😉 Yes, he is. Also once bitten twice shy. He still wants assurances that she would not leave him.
It seems that ashta gave him a subscription as well as she refused to touch his feet and hugged him, bcoz there is here ritefull place, in his arms.. i liked his pleased smile..
Not gonna talk abt the apple scene or waterfountain, both were copy,paste, kinda scenes..seen that before.. Was apple scene also copy? I forgot that one. But waterfountain is definitely a copy and I associate those scenes with a particular character I used to love and still do. Plus this scene does not suit Shlok's character.

Neeranjan is back with a bang..it seems that he is showing his true colors to shlokie pretty soon..lets seee, it will be entertaing to see these two in an altercation.. the start was today.. shlokie saw his father cant be human with his dil.. Yes, but baba's hold is still strong. He called Anjali disgusting but just left baba all alone though Baba did not support him. But Shlok hates what baba stands for when he expresses his hate for Anjali on her actions. But Baba is quite thick skinned and continues to live in his delusional world that he is very important for baccha. Or maybe he is not living in delusional world and that's why he was panicking today.
speaking abt sojal..poor her mother, it seems that all our curses reached her😆 Maybe but she should not return to Agni Mansion. However, I felt really bad for Sojal. She does not have many people who care for her. Jaya is a user, but still she is her mother.

I liked anjali very much today, i felt for her.. she had tears in her eyes seein sojal suffering, she must have tought abt her own parents.. this soul needs saving.. just like jyothi did.. wait anajali.. sun will shine on ur street aswell..

Yes, she related to Sojal because she herself cannot visit her parents who need her. And yes, Anjali needs saving. Though Sid is perfect for Jyoti, I see Anjali finding peace when she gets rid of Niranjan and lives with the rest of the family (her kids and grandkids) who love her.


Myra, thanks for you comments. As usual, your comments provide a lightness to even an intense episode.
Edited by Angie12 - 11 years ago
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Posted: 11 years ago
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@paroma:
i m not setting that as acid test for shlokie but it is one way to redeem himself & prove how far he will go for love (if he loves at all astha ) bcoz i didnt think confession came from his own heart ,astha pushed & forced & did all things to make him say it ,so confession did nothing for me ,yes he apologized today but that apologise is nothing infront of what he actually did & what astha went through i do realize now is also not bcoz she loves him unconditionally ,i said it before & i m saying it now ,astha wanted shlokie to love her back ,she was actually chasing her dream more than anything ,not that there is any wrong with it but i wont say this is unconditional love either ,she is selfish

coming back to shlokie ,he never respected her or had trust on astha as proved in aditi case ,he also have experience with swati about trust ,what he is doing to astha is now romance ,to get in physical relationship with her now that he thinks he is not cheating on swati with astha ,so where is love ???he is attracted towards her i know ,he has some sort of attachments feelings to her i know but i wont call it love specially not when i see his u turn behavior of shlokie to accept astha as wife bcoz swati died ( yes ,thats the reason ,my pov ) & he now wants peace & stability in life without much drama ,

i would not call shlokie's love as love bcoz the confession that he did with close eyes didnt make me think that he loves astha or he is in love with astha ,it was prompted by astha ,it did not felt like from his heart ,secondly what he is doing now is accepting astha which basically came after swati died ,so it was also not bcoz of astha only that he changed or accepted astha so that i can say he fell in love with astha that he changed & accepted her ,nooo ,he has to accept astha bcoz he has to ,there is no other option there for him ,he also needs astha as he doesnt want to be alone now but thats not love ,its like have to or has to since no option left ,moreover he is still not over swati as he wants to punish anjali brutally also ,he will never be over swati ,thats not wrong but he will find some peace in him if he can punish anjali as per his thinking

so where i can call love from shlokie to astha ??? he told that his relationship with astha is important ,lets see how much as he now have bad experience but also ,its that how much he trusts astha ,will he fire astha just for telling that his father is like that or he actually will try to find out since he now "love " astha as everyone claims ,i m not telling to choose astha over NA ,nooo ,i m wanting to know how much he trusts astha ,also how much he respects astha actually ,if he atleast for the sake of his sister ,accepts astha side in jyoti case i can say ok he respects astha or some way he has to show some respect or understanding ,bcoz thats what soul mates & true love r for ,right ????

what everyone sees as love right now ,i see it as accepting astha in his life as he now knows he needs her ( NA also needs anjali but thats other case ) ,he wants to have physical relation now that he did not want before bcoz swati died ,she wont come back & also bcoz he now wants to have some stability ,some peace & bcoz he is a man ,thats why he is doing a ll the cheesy romance with astha as he knows astha loves it ,😃

he did apologize & it had some depth bcoz of avi's acting ,but then that apologise was nothing infront of what he did ,if he showed some guilt or remorse before aplogize alone & remembered about SR ,felt some terrible guilt on his own ,then i would have like ,ok he felt terrible ,that i didnt feel ,i know he was sorry but it was to win astha over again totally ,i counted on confession but that was simply not talking from his heart ,it was not real for me & i did not think he actually loved astha ,he said it bcoz he was fed up ,he got astha back on track now that he wants physical relation with her as he thinks this is one way to make her stick to him without much demand from her side ,he was happy that he can atleast say ILu closing his eyes to somebody other than swati ( he might have think closing eyes will be easy as he does not have to face the other face or he might can tell ilu thinking its swati ) ,bcoz he knows astha has been manipulating him for sooo long with her cryface ,her talks ,her ilu so that he says ilu ( its just ilu ,he knows he doesnt have to prove it 😆& yeah astha never wanted anything from shlokie in return ,right 😆 see she is selfless ) i m not saying she expects love from shlokie is wrong ,no its not ,but why does she have to tell that she wants nothing when actually she wants everything ,she is selfish & also hypocrite that way

so that leaves me counting on other two options ,as trust & respect & understanding astha ,lets see what he does ,how far he goes to show how much he loves her 🥱


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Posted: 11 years ago
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Myra, thanks for answering.
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: nim_var


Beautiful quotes. Super episode. Enjoyed it immensely. Awaiting your comments n that of misti, myra, jia n chitss.


Nim, thanks. And thanks for replying to quotes. It was a very nice episode and I was relieved that Shlok's apology was done in a graceful manner. Sorry for late comments, but I updated my comments.
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: bingyy

@paroma: i m not setting that as acid test for shlokie but it is one way to redeem himself & prove how far he will go for love (if he loves at all astha ) bcoz i didnt think confession came from his own heart ,astha pushed & forced & did all things to make him say it ,so confession did nothing for me ,yes he apologized today but that apologise is nothing infront of what he actually did & what astha went through i do realize now is also not bcoz she loves him unconditionally ,i said it before & i m saying it now ,astha wanted shlokie to love her back ,she was actually chasing her dream more than anything ,not that there is any wrong with it but i wont say this is unconditional love either ,she is selfish

coming back to shlokie ,he never respected her or had trust on astha as proved in aditi case ,he also have experience with swati about trust ,what he is doing to astha is now romance ,to get in physical relationship with her now that he thinks he is not cheating on swati with astha ,so where is love ???he is attracted towards her i know ,he has some sort of attachments feelings to her i know but i wont call it love specially not when i see his u turn behavior of shlokie to accept astha as wife bcoz swati died ( yes ,thats the reason ,my pov ) & he now wants peace & stability in life without much drama ,

i would not call shlokie's love as love bcoz the confession that he did with close eyes didnt make me think that he loves astha or he is in love with astha ,it was prompted by astha ,it did not felt like from his heart ,secondly what he is doing now is accepting astha which basically came after swati died ,so it was also not bcoz of astha only that he changed or accepted astha so that i can say he fell in love with astha that he changed & accepted her ,nooo ,he has to accept astha bcoz he has to ,there is no other option there for him ,he also needs astha as he doesnt want to be alone now but thats not love ,its like have to or has to since no option left ,moreover he is still not over swati as he wants to punish anjali brutally also ,he will never be over swati ,thats not wrong but he will find some peace in him if he can punish anjali as per his thinking

so where i can call love from shlokie to astha ??? he told that his relationship with astha is important ,lets see how much as he now have bad experience but also ,its that how much he trusts astha ,will he fire astha just for telling that his father is like that or he actually will try to find out since he now "love " astha as everyone claims ,i m not telling to choose astha over NA ,nooo ,i m wanting to know how much he trusts astha ,also how much he respects astha actually ,if he atleast for the sake of his sister ,accepts astha side in jyoti case i can say ok he respects astha or some way he has to show some respect or understanding ,bcoz thats what soul mates & true love r for ,right ????


Bingyy, I think we're on opposite poles in terms of how we each see these two characters and their relationship. I think relationships are super hard and people stumble and fall and disappoint each other often. It's whether they persevere and care enough to push to make it work that determines the outcome. I also don't think there's any such thing as unconditional love, we all have expectations of others, especially of our romantic partners.

Happily we can agree to disagree 😃
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Posted: 11 years ago
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@paroma: updated the previous post for u ,yes happy to agree to disagree buddy ,

yes relationship stumbles ,falls & then rises up ,shlokie astha'
s relationship didnt still fall yet ,it was not a relationship before for shlokie ,it was for astha & she tried alone ,now shlokie accepted her as he knows his love swati died & he wants to have a life now which is not wrong

their relationship is going to fall ,stumble now ,NOW that NA will give it a push ,so like u i m waiting how much shlokie & astha push for it to work ,i know astha will try to make it work ,since she is great heroine of hindi soaps where husband r not in such cases do anything ,so i want to see how much shlokie will push for it to work ,thats why this is acid test for shlokie & his so called "love" ,bcoz more than astha its shlokie who has to work now ,astha will fail flat if she tries alone now

i m not talking about soul mates ,true love ,unconditional love here ,i know there is nada in them ,its everyone calling it😆 ,glad that u also dont think it unconditional ,the problem is astha's hypocrisy ,when she says she wants nothing during holi & afterwards but actually she wants everything ,she can want everything ,but why she has to tell then she wants nothing in return ?😲
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: bingyy

@paroma: updated the previous post for u ,yes happy to agree to disagree buddy ,

yes relationship stumbles ,falls & then rises up ,shlokie astha'
s relationship didnt still fall yet ,it was not a relationship before for shlokie ,it was for astha & she tried alone ,now shlokie accepted her as he knows his love swati died & he wants to have a life now which is not wrong

their relationship is going to fall ,stumble now ,NOW that NA will give it a push ,so like u i m waiting how much shlokie & astha push for it to work ,i know astha will try to make it work ,since she is great heroine of hindi soaps where husband r not in such cases do anything ,so i want to see how much shlokie will push for it to work ,thats why this is acid test for shlokie & his so called "love" ,bcoz more than astha its shlokie who has to work now ,astha will fail flat if she tries alone now

i m not talking about soul mates ,true love ,unconditional love here ,i know there is nada in them ,its everyone calling it😆 ,glad that u also dont think it unconditional ,the problem is astha's hypocrisy ,when she says she wants nothing during holi & afterwards but actually she wants everything ,she can want everything ,but why she has to tell then she wants nothing in return ?😲

If nothing else I'm glad we can agree on that - to disagree that is!😉

Bingyy, I feel safe in predicting that Shlok will fail your acid test. Faith in his baba is his line in the sand, one doesn't change the habits off a lifetime easily. Trust will be hard fought and hard won for Astha and the road is bound to be paved by heartbreak for Astha...and Shlok. Also let's face it, if he trusts her right away the show may as well wrap up in a couple of weeks!😆

Astha loves Shlok and wants acknowledgment that she's loved in return. If that's what you mean by wanting everything then yes! Plus sentimental expressive folks like Astha are given to some degree of hyperbole. To my mind her needs are pretty simple , home and hearth and the love of her husband and family. She can be immature, annoying, unprofessional but a hypocrite she's not and perfect she's not. That makes her an interesting character to me, one that's often endearing.

Now I really do need to call it a night, so that's my final comment for now. Thanks for the discussion. 😊


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Posted: 11 years ago
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This Hindi shows have twisted the definition of unconditional love and just use it with their own convenience . Unconditional love where you do not expect anything in return .
Liked Anjali when she just ran to Niranjan about sojal with teary eyes as if she felt her pain . But none initially looked at her face , yes she again turned the stern person ,she is turned in to emotionless facing the family cutesy Niranjan . . Niranjan is never going to tolerate if someone comes between his favorite son and him . He wants Shalok to be his replica , little knowing that he is more like his mother . Astha is person who does not keep quite and does to help others , but in this house she is going to be hurdle in Nirnajan,s smooth running empire where he is master , pulling strings from behind and Anjali is getting the burnt of backlash of her own kids .
As for Shalok,s few scenes . perhaps makers are taking him to his past birth to get something from there so that it appears hatke as its the new word in every other show .
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