What's the difference? - Page 4

Originally posted by: yellomellow

Valid point.

Honestly, I can't take their marriage seriously solely based on the fact that Abhinav still doesn't know how many lies she told him (and is still telling him). At the same time, I don't feel bad for Abhinav because he willingly participated in her lies for his own gain. It's bizarre how unhealthy their relationship is, but the writer try to paint it as trust and respect. A relationship built on lies is bound to crumble. I completely agree she is only happy when she gets her way.

Based on the fact the narrative went from them saying "Abhimanyu doesn't want Abhir" to "oh sorry we thought you were happy and didn't think you wanted Abhir" when the truth was revealed was telling. He had no intention of ever telling him about his son. That's why the nice guy persona is laughable.

It was all to make way for Abhinav. Her family had to abandon her, she refused to stay with her friend, and she forgot how online banking works so she couldn't get to the money that she earned with her multiple careers lol.

Abhinav was introduced as a DKP speciality ie sunshine character.

What triggered me is the false depiction of Accha Aadmi, he turned out to be good. Typically in reality no one goes to dedicate six years of his or her life to a stranger. From a neutral POV how will a guy with bare min necessities manage a high risk pregnant woman. How can a conservative loaded marwardi family with social standing give up on their children.

The first leap too had a similar background.Sacrifice track failed because sister ran away to safeguard brother's interest .

I do not know why the makers introduced Roohi ke liye Abrohi engagement track. Rooh hardly speaks about her mother's and poppy's engagement.

Viewers are actually detaching themselves

I didn't believe for a second that he acted out of kindness. He wanted something in return especially with his sob story about picture frames. And I was right. He is basically Rumpelstiltskin masquerading as a achha aadmi lol.

The premise he saved Abhir so he deserves a family was disturbing from the start. I don't recall Abhimanyu asking for something exchange or even expecting a thank you afterward. In fact, most cases he was insulted before and after by her family after he saved them all. Painting Abhimanyu as the villain is fine because is the ML. It's what happens on ITV, but the false narratives is where the writers lost the plot. Abhimanyu saved her, her family, and her new husband. Yet he was still denied his son. While she gave Abhinav a living breathing human being as a consolation prize for taking her to the hospital lol.

Honestly, I find the family dynamic laughable. All they do is lie to each other, lie for each other, and tell Abhir to lie for them. Abhir opening up to Abhimanyu in their first meeting shows how Abhir bottles up his emotions for the sake of "parents" (like his real father). Now, a six year old is praying and actively searching for his real father while both "parents" are oblivious to his emotional state. A mother that runs after her husband, a mother that wants to live in a fake happy family, not sharing his emotions, and when he does share how he feels he is gaslit into accepting the situation for his mother's husband feelings. Abhir is living Abhi's life in real-time.

Originally posted by: AreYaar

I think the writers brought him in as a polar opposite of Abhimanyu initially and yes a sort of foil in that sense to draw the contrast between the two men.....he was initially shown as a very simple minded happy go lucky guy who was just supporting Akshara without expectations....that is where they wanted to elevate him in contrast to an Abhimanyu who is rash in anger and lost Akshara because of that. But that was the one line brief that only lasted through the initial two weeks in Kasauli. After that, they have struggled and now reduced him even more to just an "achha aadmi" label simply to try and show that he is a good man while Abhimanyu is "wrong' in every way😆......again, to your point this is what they WANT to show but it isn't coming across onscreen.....his selfishness and lack of remorse over claiming someone else's child as his own nullifies all this glorification they do via Akshara hailing him like a god.

And yes, by this point he is nothing but a prop to keep the leads apart....he has no identity of his own beyond Akshara being shown as a loudspeaker doing daily bhajan about him.

@bold: BANG ON once again👏.....there is a very forced vibe to this "family" precisely because they keep making tall claims of their perfect family when reality is that they are being held together by a lie, by hiding a son from his actual father and being unrepentant about this while the actual father stands silent on the side.....the fact that the writers expect the audience to just FORGET this and accept this made up family because Akshara wants to cling to her delusions is😆.....just saying something doesn't make it true. The audience can see the lies in front of their eyes.

As for Akshara, her character was always written in a weak manner as a woman with no ambition, so this leap just brought in more of the same....she doesn't seem to WANT a life where she is self-reliant and independent....she is always looking to cling to someone and have a family at any cost...this is why all her dialogues sound like they are from a 1960s soap opera vis a vis how much a man can do for her😆. But yeah, she never even hailed Abhimanyu like she is hailing Nav for the smallest of things....it's like tomorrow if he sneezes in front of her, she will want to record the sound of that sneeze and play it all over Himachal ki look I have a pati and he can sneeze....yayyy😆. And then writers wonder why this looks so forced and juvenile.

Originally posted by: yellomellow

I didn't believe for a second that he acted out of kindness. He wanted something in return especially with his sob story about picture frames. And I was right. He is basically Rumpelstiltskin masquerading as a achha aadmi lol.

The premise he saved Abhir so he deserves a family was disturbing from the start. I don't recall Abhimanyu asking for something exchange or even expecting a thank you afterward. In fact, most cases he was insulted before and after by her family after he saved them all. Painting Abhimanyu as the villain is fine because is the ML. It's what happens on ITV, but the false narratives is where the writers lost the plot. Abhimanyu saved her, her family, and her new husband. Yet he was still denied his son. While she gave Abhinav a living breathing human being as a consolation prize for taking her to the hospital lol.

Honestly, I find the family dynamic laughable. All they do is lie to each other, lie for each other, and tell Abhir to lie for them. Abhir opening up to Abhimanyu in their first meeting shows how Abhir bottles up his emotions for the sake of "parents" (like his real father). Now, a six year old is praying and actively searching for his real father while both "parents" are oblivious to his emotional state. A mother that runs after her husband, a mother that wants to live in a fake happy family, not sharing his emotions, and when he does share how he feels he is gaslit into accepting the situation for his mother's husband feelings. Abhir is living Abhi's life in real-time.

Yes, it's the incessant LYING that disconnects me the most from buying their narrative of "perfect family".....as you said, they are constantly lying to each other, for each other or teaching their child to adjust to hiding things....this very premise is so problematic especially because they are trying to push this Sharma family as an "idealistic" middle class nuclear family that is living in limited means. As if being poor means you have free license to lie your way through life and these are the values you are teaching to your kids. So teaching the kids to live modestly is compensation enough to also teach them to lie their way through life? lol

Nav is presented as a guy who is good in every way but his very fundamental sense of right and wrong seems so off with him being willing to be party to a lie only because Akshara asked him to play father to someone else's kid?

The Abhimanyu that they keep trying to claim is wrong in every way still very much has his fundamental sense of right and wrong in place....the capacity to acknowledge what he did wrong.....but there is ZERO sense of that on the Sharma side and still makers keep pushing the false narrative that this is a "perfect loving family".....lol maybe they could have gotten away with it if they had cast someone with the screen presence to be a lead and have some chemistry with the FL.....but that is a total flop from the get go.

Abhimanyu is a better written character and on top of that he is being played by the better actor. Dunno on what planet the makers thought they would get away with this poverty cosplay and faux moral superiority gyaans through Sharma family😆

Originally posted by: yellomellow

I haven't been on the forum for awhile so I wouldn't know what other people post. I wouldn't call my ONE post an obsession it's more of an observation lol. Honestly, the blame for that lies with the writers. The leap is basically the rich suitor poor suitor trope love triangle. Other than his hand-me-down scenes, his situational poorness, and his magically ability to make family members appear as a orphan with no surname what does he have? He is boring.

To be fair, all ITV couples have the same template because all ITV shows are the same. The only difference is the chemistry. For me, they had better chemistry as a couple. They still do. Some pairs are interesting while others are boring.

Every ITV couple is forced and rushed because TRP system runs the show. She had no POV of her falling in love, but the confession happened because TRP was stagnate.

Everyone is entitled to their opinion. I was just curious, but it seems I got in the middle of a fanwar.

I'm using the word "obsession" collectively, not because you made one post lol, it's a pattern from multiple others here.

Lol, the fan wars starts with any posts that assert you're a fan of one character or couple over another. You haven't been following this forum otherwise you would see it here. It's the state of this forum until the writers stop flip flopping and make something clear. But they know what they're doing, trying to give lollipops to both fan groups.

Honestly, I feel like Abhira is/was a boring couple, they have nothing about them which makes them interesting or unique. Their chemistry seems off to me, as some people have said before, maybe because Pranali looks younger and Harshad looks older. Also, Abhimanyu is a boring character as well, not sure what makes HIM unique or special either. What does he have? Just typical ITV male traits about being impulsive and a a Mama's boy lmao. Harshad is an excellent actor though, he deserved much better.

Originally posted by: AreYaar

Yes, it's the incessant LYING that disconnects me the most from buying their narrative of "perfect family".....as you said, they are constantly lying to each other, for each other or teaching their child to adjust to hiding things....this very premise is so problematic especially because they are trying to push this Sharma family as an "idealistic" middle class nuclear family that is living in limited means. As if being poor means you have free license to lie your way through life and these are the values you are teaching to your kids. So teaching the kids to live modestly is compensation enough to also teach them to lie their way through life? lol

Nav is presented as a guy who is good in every way but his very fundamental sense of right and wrong seems so off with him being willing to be party to a lie only because Akshara asked him to play father to someone else's kid?

The Abhimanyu that they keep trying to claim is wrong in every way still very much has his fundamental sense of right and wrong in place....the capacity to acknowledge what he did wrong.....but there is ZERO sense of that on the Sharma side and still makers keep pushing the false narrative that this is a "perfect loving family".....lol maybe they could have gotten away with it if they had cast someone with the screen presence to be a lead and have some chemistry with the FL.....but that is a total flop from the get go.

Abhimanyu is a better written character and on top of that he is being played by the better actor. Dunno on what planet the makers thought they would get away with this poverty cosplay and faux moral superiority gyaans through Sharma family😆

What the heck is poverty cosplay? 🤣 Also, saying Harshad is a better actor than Jay Soni might be treading on dangerous territory. Obviously biased.

Have you seen Sasural Genda Phool?

Originally posted by: yellomellow

Exactly, there is nothing mature or realistic about their relationship. It's hollow and borderline toxic.

I liked that term you used in another post - situational poverty 😆….such an accurate description of the conveniently appearing or disappearing gareebi of Sharmas whenever they want to show Akshara pretending like her life only began 6 years ago and she wasn’t a princess born with a silver spoon😆

Exactly, this is why their mature and understanding marriage is laughable. What relationship built on lies has trust and respect? What they have is a mutual benefit at a father's expense. According to the writers, not being well-off or trying in life means you get a pass for being morally bankrupt.

Characters saying dialogues about trust and respect doesn't make it true. He was always an insecure character who needs to be coddled like a child. What man with self-respect agrees to be a father ji to someone else child? Or feels no remorse for his actions? He got son, a cheerleader, and a maid in exchange so he agreed to her lies. It was fun lying to Abhimanyu's face and getting him to do everything for Abhir without knowing about his son. Now, he is scared to lose what he stole in the first place.

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The fact Abhimanyu feels guilty about everything what happened six years ago, lying to Abhir, and even lying to Abhinav while she sleep soundly is insane lol. As for Abhinav, he gave no apology, no remorse, no acknowledgement the trauma they caused him (or Abhir), and calling his son "mera beta" in front of him with no shame. Abhimanyu is practically a saint lol. He wins automatically. It doesn't hurt that HC is a phenomenal actor. He doesn't even need a good script let alone a single to convey the message.

Honesty, it seems like ego at this point. ITV producers are known for their notorious egos and thin skin. My guess is someone hurt his feelings and we are seeing the consequence of it lol.

Originally posted by: AreYaar

Yes, it's the incessant LYING that disconnects me the most from buying their narrative of "perfect family".....as you said, they are constantly lying to each other, for each other or teaching their child to adjust to hiding things....this very premise is so problematic especially because they are trying to push this Sharma family as an "idealistic" middle class nuclear family that is living in limited means. As if being poor means you have free license to lie your way through life and these are the values you are teaching to your kids. So teaching the kids to live modestly is compensation enough to also teach them to lie their way through life? lol

Nav is presented as a guy who is good in every way but his very fundamental sense of right and wrong seems so off with him being willing to be party to a lie only because Akshara asked him to play father to someone else's kid?

The Abhimanyu that they keep trying to claim is wrong in every way still very much has his fundamental sense of right and wrong in place....the capacity to acknowledge what he did wrong.....but there is ZERO sense of that on the Sharma side and still makers keep pushing the false narrative that this is a "perfect loving family".....lol maybe they could have gotten away with it if they had cast someone with the screen presence to be a lead and have some chemistry with the FL.....but that is a total flop from the get go.

Abhimanyu is a better written character and on top of that he is being played by the better actor. Dunno on what planet the makers thought they would get away with this poverty cosplay and faux moral superiority gyaans through Sharma family😆

Lying and hiding r AK core traits which she's obviously passing to the next generation 😉 nd Nav is giving her a helping hand

I find AkshNav boring coz they tried selling same old in new packaging but the packaging filmsy

I could point out a lot of things that r wrong with Nav...like you mentioned his sense of right nd wrong is so off...he can go bhai ji bhai ji nd feel sorry for AbhiM but he was the one who found AK in the state 6 years ago...yet he can't stop going bhaiji

He's extremely clingy, doesn't know or understand or respect boundaries, really insecure as a person, seems to fall weak in difficult situations, needs mollycoddling nd an ego boost all the time,loves to get up his moral high ground which is extremely flawed

I don't understand this glorification of having limited means that ITV goes about, how is it that no episode goes without a mention of the Sharma's financials nd yet that shouldn't be a topic of discussion in the forum.....how is it that poor=good and rich=bad....the lack of growth mindset, no ambition is not something to be applauded at all...no matter what profession u r in if u don't think of upskilling urself then that's bad... nobody in this world chooses to be poor...if you could you'd want all the riches nd live a comfortable life

Ik i can't even make out if they wanna show Sharmas as poor or middle class

I come from a middle class family nd we never had money to waste but it wasn't like we were ever lacking in terms of having proper food and clothing

But then everything else they do does seem middle class

How's it that a girl who had always lived in wealth was able to adjust like that...nd how's it that goenkas who were the biggest snobs in s2 r so accepting of Nav

Like I said I haven't been on here for years. I really didn't know about the other posts lol.

Completely agree with you about the flip flopping. One episode she has happy family moments with Abhimanyu then next she has happy family moments with Abhinav. Obviously they think it's better to have multiple ships rather than focusing on one and giving them a decent story. I could be wrong, but the engagement their flipping gets might also be a reason. Any attention is good attention, right?

That's fair. I find Abhinav boring and hypocritical. Their whole ship is based on a lie, but it's not even interesting. He didn't know anything about her until recently, but they were best friends that relied and trusted each other for six years? Makes no sense lol. Both of them are older than Pranali, but to me she looks better with HC. Honestly, I don't see her chemistry with Jay, but that's just me. To each their own.

Originally posted by: Kabhi18

I'm using the word "obsession" collectively, not because you made one post lol, it's a pattern from multiple others here.

Lol, the fan wars starts with any posts that assert you're a fan of one character or couple over another. You haven't been following this forum otherwise you would see it here. It's the state of this forum until the writers stop flip flopping and make something clear. But they know what they're doing, trying to give lollipops to both fan groups.

Honestly, I feel like Abhira is/was a boring couple, they have nothing about them which makes them interesting or unique. Their chemistry seems off to me, as some people have said before, maybe because Pranali looks younger and Harshad looks older. Also, Abhimanyu is a boring character as well, not sure what makes HIM unique or special either. What does he have? Just typical ITV male traits about being impulsive and a a Mama's boy lmao. Harshad is an excellent actor though, he deserved much better.