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Posted: 6 years ago
#61

Originally posted by: xaviara


Be it any religion or law in any country, marriage isn't valid without Pandit, Priest or Qazi Sahab foremost. Also no religion and law considers a marriage valid which takes place under influence. Ansh's consent while saying yes and then under Dyaan control during marriage is coercion which makes the marrige null and void. As for Sindoor and MS makes people married than all TV and Bollywoods actors are married several times over. Ansh and Ruby are not married, in my opinion they are living together, and when Ansh gets married to Pia it will be his first real marriage.



I agree with what you and chilka (err sorry I don't know your name) said, but all that are for the real world. This is a show n that too a supernatural one so I think here every marriage will count and moreover in the TV world sindoor is the most important thing...

Naveen, I don't know if you have watched DBO or not as there also the leads were married like that only.. With no mantras and blood daan ( well sindoor wasn't available so the Om had to do it with blood)... And that marriage did count and till date whether in DBO or IB Rikara has not been properly married and that "khoon bhari maang" marriage still stands...

I've my issues because Ansh eventually did accept his marriage to Ruby once she explained it in private (it's a different story altogether how many lies she fed him) .. Oh n not too forget he did take a stand for Ruby and held Ved's hand tightly when she was pulling her to do the aarti... Yes one can say he was being honourable but it doesn't change the fact that he did take a stand for her though he flipped once he saw Ved crying...
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Posted: 6 years ago
#62

Originally posted by: 4me2

Kaku

Dont worry for Ruby. First she married Ansh without his consent. Second it was done by hypnotizing him. Third there was no mantras. Fourth she is evil. Fifth Ansh himself does not remember it. Any marriage done in such conditions is null and void. It is like taking a confession of an innocent man by force. I also hope Pia Naman marriage does not take place. It will be puke worthy and we dont want another puke worthy marriage in the show. Even if it is Ansh second marriage it is not an issue as the first was done without his consent. You cant expect honesty from dayans churails etc so neither should they expect it. No way this will become Silsila. I will be happy of Pia kills Ruby to save Ansh. I dont mind who tell Pia what but she will do the right thing always. Ansh may not do it and Mo no way as she will always need a helper with her. She cant work alone as we saw well. Well Ruby is not Ansh soul mate so even after marriage Ansh is not jumping with joy.


Puja I do understand what you are trying to say.and I am positive that Naman Pia marriage will not happen... Gul will never let her fl marry any other chap apart from the ml... So that's not an issue...

I also have a serious doubt that Ruby is going anywhere. ..she might be incapacitated but she'll stick around... Gul loves her vamps too much to do away with them and by the looks of it Ruby has become kind of popular... 🤢...she's not needed in the story but I don't know... Something tells me that she'll be around... So maybe it'll be Saavi who'll take care of her (like for eg entomb her) but since she's not daivik so there4 won't be able to kill her... And Rathore's will think that Ruby is no more and Ansh is free...some catch will be there that I am sure..
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Posted: 6 years ago
#63
Does Pia's dad knew that his eldest daughter was a Daivik? If he knows then when he founds out that Pia isa Daivik, he will also figure out that she is his daughter.
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Posted: 6 years ago
#64
So many new information one finds out when one comes to the forum . Stuffs that are not even in the show and exists only in the alternate reality of fan's minds.
The latest one is Ansh and Ruby's marriage is invalid because -

1. Absence of the priest !!!! - Woww , so age old rituals like applying sindur on hair parting , exchange of garlands , saath phera around the havaan kund , tying Mangalsutra , gaath bandhan etc. doesn't matter ?? Doesn't count ?? Ohhkay .
Most of the marriages that happens or happened in ITV happens with even lesser rituals and they still count as valid.
And not only in ITV , in movies too , like Kayamat se kayamar tak , Bajirao mastani , Ram Leela etc. etc. lead couples got married with not even so much rituals and of course , in the complete absence of priests and still it's valid.

Are we talking about legalizing of the marriage ?? LOl. Marriage rituals have absolutely nothing got to do with legal status of the marriage .
As a matter of fact , they can simply sign on the papers and they're completely valid married couple without performing a single rituals. These rituals are for validation from God , or to be honest and brutally practical for the benefit of the society and family , to conform with the set standards of societal norms.

2. This marriage has been done against Ansh's wish !! 😲 Is there another Nazar going on in some parallel universe that some people are watching ?? 😕
Sigh ! Ok, let's try.
Ansh did give consent for this marriage and that too in full consciousness. Albeit with some reluctance . ( That's beside the point , validity of a marriage depends on a person's consent , not on his / her state of mind . Since we are talking about technicalities here. ). That too with not too much reluctance I can safely say, because let's not forget Ruby is / was Ansh's girlfriend and he id like her before Pia's entry in his life. GOing by how easily he accepted this marriage , how calmly , completely, minus any resistance , revolt or rebel and with a kind of quick and ready shouldering of his spousal responsibilities ( spousal responsibility is not just sex ) , how instantly he gets into husband mode to protect and care for Ruby ( it's like every time he holds her protectively and speak on her defense whenever Ruby is questioned , with a firm protest against her insult. Please go and watch the two episodes and listen to his dialogs and actions. )
There's a HUGE difference between an event being performed against one's wish and one done without one's memory.

In fact , so many words are not even needed . Had this marriage been done against his consent , Ansh wouldn't have accepted his marriage with Ruby so easily and instantly. Jab Ansh ne shadi ko man liya hai , jab use koi dikkat nehi , tab kisi aur ko kya haq hai ye kehena ki - marriage is not valid ??? 😆
It's like a girl having physical intimacy with a man , and every one yelling it's been forced on her when the girl herself considers it consensual ! Only that girl has got any say in it. It's no body's business otherwise unless she says so.

Last but not the least , each and every family member , including Vedashree who knows best when a marriage is valid and when not and who's well aware of every detail of this marriage , like absence of priest and Ansh being in DC , keeps chanting " Ab to uski biwi bhi ek dayan hai.. " , " Meine teri shadi ek dayan se kara di. "

Not for a single time Ved said this marriage doesn't hold , or it doesn't count. Which at least proves that she's less delusional than the fan groups. 😆 She's desperate to cast Ruby out and wouldn't it have been the easiest thing to do to just declare or at least consider this marriage null or void ?? But no , that's not possible because that wouldn't be true and who knows that better than Ved. 😆 She knows that she couldn't cancel the marriage , as much as she may want , and therein lies her distress.
Ansh doesn't remember the rituals yet he knows and accepts that he's married because he's educated enough and have common sense enough to understand that since he's given consent for the marriage and he's done it , the marriage holds.

Now , if this marriage was an invalid one Ved wouldn't have been so distressed . She knows that what has been done is done. Ruby is Ansh's wife. End of the story . Ansh can of course get married again , why he can get married 100 more times , kis ne roka hai. And none of that could take away the fact that Ruby is / was/ will always remain his 1st wife. And in the context of a show like Nazar , where rituals held utmost importance , each and every of these age old valued rituals have binding effect that binds a couple together for not just this birth , but 6 next births as well.

Really , the amount of kuch bhi some people speaks to conceal or comfort their growing insecurities makes my head go
Edited by Carmilla - 6 years ago
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Posted: 6 years ago
#65

Originally posted by: 4me2

Naveen

Saavi was not that young to forget that she had a mom and a sister. I am sure she remembers. May be she was told that they died. Either Nishant feels they are alive but is unsure so had told Saavi that they died or he truly feels that they died. It is so hazy here.


Saavi is younger then Pia and just a baby in Nishant's arms when Divya and Pia left. Saavi must be 2 years old at the max, too young to remember, especially if Nishant didn't mention them to her or kept pictures around the house.
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Posted: 6 years ago
#66

Originally posted by: 4me2

Naveen

What I meant was Ansh will be powerful but still MoRu will control him as he wont be able to handle his powers. I am sure he will forget Ved and ignore her then. He may leave the house too. Once Ansh is a full DV Pia too has to become a daivik.


Yes he will ignore Ved, am expecting that, in fact he will be probably be rude to the whole family, but he won't leave them, neither will Ruby and Mohana because of budget constraints GK will keep everyone in the same location because they have Pia's parallel track also going along, so they need another set and location for Pia's track too.
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Posted: 6 years ago
#67

Originally posted by: kaku17



I agree with what you and chilka (err sorry I don't know your name) said, but all that are for the real world. This is a show n that too a supernatural one so I think here every marriage will count and moreover in the TV world sindoor is the most important thing...

Naveen, I don't know if you have watched DBO or not as there also the leads were married like that only.. With no mantras and blood daan ( well sindoor wasn't available so the Om had to do it with blood)... And that marriage did count and till date whether in DBO or IB Rikara has not been properly married and that "khoon bhari maang" marriage still stands...

I've my issues because Ansh eventually did accept his marriage to Ruby once she explained it in private (it's a different story altogether how many lies she fed him) .. Oh n not too forget he did take a stand for Ruby and held Ved's hand tightly when she was pulling her to do the aarti... Yes one can say he was being honourable but it doesn't change the fact that he did take a stand for her though he flipped once he saw Ved crying...


@bold: Kaku, I have followed DBO and yes their marriage was done with just blood Sindoor, but in RiKara's case they were both conscious of what they were doing, they were not drunk or under any mind control. Neither of them were forced or coerced.

And if you are giving me the example of DBO, I will give you the example of IB. Rudy and Soumya were married while they were under the influence of bhaang so when the news of their wedding broke out Rudy stated that he does not consider the wedding valid because they were under influence and most of the family members agreed. Then later when Soumya turned negative they revealed that the Pandit who married them was fake, therefore the mantras and the whole marriage was fake. Now in Rudy and Soumya's case also the wedding was under influence but Rudy still applied Sindoor and put MS on Soumya, but their thei wedding later on proved to be fake. In Ansh's and Ruby's case, there was no Pandit Ji or Mantras, so how does this marriage is valid? Before when I was talking about law and religion, you said thats in the real world, well I just gave you an example from a Gul's show itself. Ansh and Ruby are not married, they are just living together in my opinion.

@purple: You can't blame Ansh for being a decent human being and for being brought up with values. Ansh never wanted to marry Ruby, he kept saying no again and again, despite his family pleading him. Despite Ved crying her heart out, he did not agree. He only said yes after he stepped into the Dayaan chakar, and even after that it took the combined powers of both Ruby and Mohana from the casket to manipulate him into saying yes to marry Ruby. Now that Ansh thinks that he married his mom's choice of girl, his standing up for Ruby was not for Ruby, it was because he himself was trying to respect Ved's choice for him. He couldn't understand why his mom was now against Ruby when it was she who was pleading him to marry Ruby only few days ago. That scene showed his concern and confusion for Vedshree more then any stand for Ruby.
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Posted: 6 years ago
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I guess it always depends on the creatives POV to make a marriage real or not. Reel marriages in no follows the rules of real marriages. I, for one will not consider myself to be married if some guy fills my maang with blood or sindoor. And hence marriage under hypnosis is no marriage. Still that is valid only in real world and whether the marriage Btwn Ansh and Ruby should be considered valid is all up to the whims of the writer. So I guess the debate on this is seriously useless. The ones who accept it as valid and the ones who doesn't are like SRK says ' rail ke do patari' stretching along in the same path but never meeting.
Can't both keep their respective POV ?
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Posted: 6 years ago
#69

Originally posted by: Indulekha00

I guess it always depends on the creatives POV to make a marriage real or not. Reel marriages in no follows the rules of real marriages. I, for one will not consider myself to be married if some guy fills my maang with blood or sindoor. And hence marriage under hypnosis is no marriage. Still that is valid only in real world and whether the marriage Btwn Ansh and Ruby should be considered valid is all up to the whims of the writer. So I guess the debate on this is seriously useless. The ones who accept it as valid and the ones who doesn't are like SRK says ' rail ke do patari' stretching along in the same path but never meeting.

Can't both keep their respective POV ?


I agree with you Indu, even the creatives at the end of the day leave most of the tracks and story up to the viewer's perspective. We all try to put across our perspectives but we shouldn't try to impose our thinking on to others.
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Posted: 6 years ago
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Originally posted by: 4me2

Naveen

What I meant was Ansh will be powerful but still MoRu will control him as he wont be able to handle his powers. I am sure he will forget Ved and ignore her then. He may leave the house too. Once Ansh is a full DV Pia too has to become a daivik.


I've been debating about this MoRu controlling Ansh thing. Will they manage to? Will they be able to? Or does Mohana intend to kill Ansh and suck out his powers as soon as it peaks? Ansh will be very powerful, more powerful than Mo and Ru and MoRu combined. Infact more powerful than anyone. He could turn on them anytime and kill them. Will they really risk that? The show was very clear that Daayans don't spare their husband or their own children. Ironically, this is what Ansh is to both of them. A son to one and a "husband" to one. So this is how I envision this controlling thing going.

1. Mohana and Ruby actually intend to control Ansh. Manipulation in play but can Ansh be so easily controlled? I doubt it. Especially after his powers strengthens. Will he take orders from Mo and Ru? Again, I doubt it. This option has too much risk for Mo and Ru.

2. Mohana and Ruby will play games to each control Ansh. They will pretend to be with each other but will intend to backstab to control and then kill Ansh to suck out all his powers.

I think the latter option has more dramatic approach. Plus, we already know that Daayans have no loyalty for each other, no affection unless they are related. Like Mo and Ved. But Ruby is not related and Mo would not hesitate to kill her.

Originally posted by: kaku17



I agree with what you and chilka (err sorry I don't know your name) said, but all that are for the real world. This is a show n that too a supernatural one so I think here every marriage will count and moreover in the TV world sindoor is the most important thing...

Naveen, I don't know if you have watched DBO or not as there also the leads were married like that only.. With no mantras and blood daan ( well sindoor wasn't available so the Om had to do it with blood)... And that marriage did count and till date whether in DBO or IB Rikara has not been properly married and that "khoon bhari maang" marriage still stands...

I've my issues because Ansh eventually did accept his marriage to Ruby once she explained it in private (it's a different story altogether how many lies she fed him) .. Oh n not too forget he did take a stand for Ruby and held Ved's hand tightly when she was pulling her to do the aarti... Yes one can say he was being honourable but it doesn't change the fact that he did take a stand for her though he flipped once he saw Ved crying...


Call me Tia. 😊

Ok, question. Were any of them under mind control when these marriages happened in DBO? No, right? That's your answer. Mind control makes this "marriage" null and void.

Have you seen Marvel's Jessica Jones? If you haven't, you should. t's an amazing show. Jessica has super powers and the villain Kilgrave fell for her and his power was mind control. He made her kill, he raped her and he made her believe she loved him. The whole of season one was she trying to run from him, dealing with her PTSD and blaming herself but you know what the lesson was of that season? The culprit was Kilgrave, not her. She was totally innocent. By making her kill, the blood was on Kilgraves hands and not hers. Luke Cage, the hero, her future husband's wife was killed by Jessica on Kilgrave's orders. Luke himself was mind controlled in the finale to kill Jessica. And both of them recognised that Kilgrave was the culprit not each other. As soon as she made peace with that, she stopped hating herself.

The worst part was watching Kilgrave mindcontrol people. Someone looked at him funny = gouge your eyes out. Someone touched him without permission = burn your own hand or cut it off with that dull butter knife. Someone shouted at him = Go bash your head on that wall till you die. Someone annoyed him = You will shoot your whole family ruthlessly.

Are you all aware that mind control is a mental rape? It's gives the victims PTSD which Jessica has. Because you loose one of the most precious thing. Free Will. If you watch the show you will realise how terrible it is to not have freewill. You cannot say no to the simplest thing. No, I don't want to eat dal. No, I don't want to jump. No, I don't want to cook and then there's this, an assault of the worst kind: No, I don't want to have sex with you.

We have already seen Ansh having no free will. He jumped off his building because Ruby instructed him to. Would you call this a marriage?

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