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Sorry to say that people here in this forum are more biased than the judges towards the contestants they support. I'm not a die-hard fan of anyone in this show, so I listen with my ears open. It is true that Aneek was technically better than anyone else in Sherawali song although it was a dry song compared to Noor-e-khuda. He can sing as difficult songs as anyone else here. I think he deserved the highest scores.

Originally posted by: rahulfan94

Sorry to say that people here in this forum are more biased than the judges towards the contestants they support. I'm not a die-hard fan of anyone in this show, so I listen with my ears open. It is true that Aneek was technically better than anyone else in Sherawali song although it was a dry song compared to Noor-e-khuda. He can sing as difficult songs as anyone else here. I think he deserved the highest scores.

as far as my concern i m not a biased person here

Originally posted by: sushrutapandey

I love how expertly and deftly you turn it into an issue of popularity. It's a question of difficulty and comfort zone. If you were a bit more objective you would realize Aneek actually sung a very simple song -one we have heard hundreds of times every where. Even then he was not solid in some places. Irfan and Sreeram sang much more difficult songs. Sreeram's song lacks structure and is very difficult to present in a live performance and he deserves praise for heaping that challenge on himself. Irfan's song was more within his comfort zone and is structured more regularly but he sang it quite well although I agree he had minor problems in pitching occasionally.

The whole problem with these singing contests is that there is a range of difficulty to songs which varies greatly from singer to singer and episode to episode. That rarely gets highlighted. Now, I think Aneek is a talented singer and some of his performances have been praised well deservedly( Ruth aa gayi re and the song he sang the week before) but he gets far more praise compared to the rest and that definitely has some other considerations.

fully agree with u

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Originally posted by: sushrutapandey

I love how expertly and deftly you turn it into an issue of popularity. It's a question of difficulty and comfort zone. If you were a bit more objective you would realize Aneek actually sung a very simple song -one we have heard hundreds of times every where. Even then he was not solid in some places. Irfan and Sreeram sang much more difficult songs. Sreeram's song lacks structure and is very difficult to present in a live performance and he deserves praise for heaping that challenge on himself. Irfan's song was more within his comfort zone and is structured more regularly but he sang it quite well although I agree he had minor problems in pitching occasionally.

The whole problem with these singing contests is that there is a range of difficulty to songs which varies greatly from singer to singer and episode to episode. That rarely gets highlighted. Now, I think Aneek is a talented singer and some of his performances have been praised well deservedly( Ruth aa gayi re and the song he sang the week before) but he gets far more praise compared to the rest and that definitely has some other considerations.

How does the difficulty of the song have a direct impact on what kind of feedback the singers receive? The judges are only entitled to judge the particular song which is being performed, and if the singer manages to fulfill most aspects of the song, he will get the feedback he deserves. It is true that Sreeram sang a song which is much more difficult, and as Shantanu commented, the difficulty of each line forced Sreeram to concentrate heavily on each line, without concentrating much on the original feel of the song. Don't get me wrong, I loved his performance, but the fact is that he did get good feedback for his performance, so it shouldn't be that big of a deal if Aneek got 2 points more than Sreeram. It all depends on how the performances were heard by the judges, they are far more competent than any of us to judge these singers, so we shouldn't really disrespect their judgement. Even though at times they do tend to frustrate me, but in the end I realize that they might have experienced something in the performance that I could not. Also, another reason might be the fact that we're listening to these singers on television, and they're listening to them live, therefore their judgement might be influenced from a different perspective.

Originally posted by: arjav

How does the difficulty of the song have a direct impact on what kind of feedback the singers receive? The judges are only entitled to judge the particular song which is being performed, and if the singer manages to fulfill most aspects of the song, he will get the feedback he deserves.
It is true that Sreeram sang a song which is much more difficult, and as Shantanu commented, the difficulty of each line forced Sreeram to concentrate heavily on each line, without concentrating much on the original feel of the song. Don't get me wrong, I loved his performance, but the fact is that he did get good feedback for his performance, so it shouldn't be that big of a deal if Aneek got 2 points more than Sreeram. It all depends on how the performances were heard by the judges, they are far more competent than any of us to judge these singers, so we shouldn't really disrespect their judgement. Even though at times they do tend to frustrate me, but in the end I realize that they might have experienced something in the performance that I could not. Also, another reason might be the fact that we're listening to these singers on television, and they're listening to them live, therefore their judgement might be influenced from a different perspective.

Reg. difficulty of song: It is a competition and you are not viewing these singers in isolation. It is actually the judges job to compare the relative merits of the song and present them to a less technical audience. Only the fans of a particular singer can simply be "moved" by the song. Instead these judges act like fans and don't dwell on the technical aspects of a song. In singing comfort zone is a great concept. For example, I sing slow old songs really well and I sound really good when I sing. But I cannot sing these modern,western type of songs at all. The difference is enormous.

There is a huge difference in performance quality when one sings songs they are comfortable with. A show that claims to pick the best singer out of a lot of above-average singers must consider difficulty level and versatility constantly and this should be the primary emphasis.

And I do not agree that judges are somehow more competent to judge. Knowledge of music is accessible to many people these days and it is not a deep, secret skill reserved only for the limited few. In addition, this is a television reality show where the judges are under pressure from the producers to increase TRPs so they are never entirely unbiased. And finally just because they are knowledgeable doesn't mean the judges are objective.Every person has his/her own biases( many times irrational) that an outsider can discern but not the person judging himself.

Then in that case, any performance can never really be judged with an unbiased perspective. Any human being is going to be slightly biased, whether it is regarding the song selection, or the singer. Therefore we still don't have a right to say that these judges are wrong, because that would also be a biased assumption. I do agree that the comments given by the judges might not be very technical or critical, but there has to be SOME reasoning behind the marks given. And after all of these reality shows, why does everyone assume that a singer has to be versatile for him or her to be the best among everyone. This is a misconception given to us by these kinds of shows. Sonu Nigam is probably the most versatile singer in the industry at the moment, but does that mean that he's a better singer than Rahat Fateh Ali Khan? I believe that a singer needs to perform songs within his comfort level, so he can actually display his true talent, and it would also be more entertaining to watch a better performance. I personally hated Hemant's kishore kumar performance, and Nihira's performance on the song 'Mast', but within their comfort zone, they are among the better singers on this show. If we look at Saregama's recent shows, Kamal Khan became the winner after delivering countless impeccable sufi and punjabi folk performances on the show. Even in Saregama Lil' Champs, the top 3 singers (Azmat, Salman Ali, Nitin Kumar) constantly sang songs within their comfort zone, and it was a fabulous show for me. On shows like Jo Jeeta Wohi Superstar, and Indian Idol, where versatility seems to be the biggest x factor required, a lot of talent seems to be wasted. If we also recall Mussarat Abbas from Saregama '07, he ONLY became popular after he started singing Nusrat Fateh Ali Khan's songs on the show, he was far from versatile, and so was Raja Hasan, but they still became among the most popular contestants on the show

Originally posted by: rahulfan94

Sorry to say that people here in this forum are more biased than the judges towards the contestants they support. I'm not a die-hard fan of anyone in this show, so I listen with my ears open. It is true that Aneek was technically better than anyone else in Sherawali song although it was a dry song compared to Noor-e-khuda. He can sing as difficult songs as anyone else here. I think he deserved the highest scores.

Rahulfan, unfortunately your observation is so correctly stated here. It's amazing to see how people are biased here aginst him, they haven't even heard him perform this week yet, they have already made up their mind in a negative way just because they don't like his singing ( which is fine since we all have our own personal preferences). I am sure he has fans and haters all over the world, If you like his singing good and enjoy them and if you are not then don't say things which might hurt his supporters feelings. I hope to see people here pointing out the strenghts and weakensses of the contestants, suggesting ways the singers can improve either by singing and posting it somewhere we can hear and see or write here for those of us who don't understand music as well as they do. 😊

Originally posted by: arjav

Then in that case, any performance can never really be judged with an unbiased perspective. Any human being is going to be slightly biased, whether it is regarding the song selection, or the singer. Therefore we still don't have a right to say that these judges are wrong, because that would also be a biased assumption. I do agree that the comments given by the judges might not be very technical or critical, but there has to be SOME reasoning behind the marks given. And after all of these reality shows, why does everyone assume that a singer has to be versatile for him or her to be the best among everyone. This is a misconception given to us by these kinds of shows. Sonu Nigam is probably the most versatile singer in the industry at the moment, but does that mean that he's a better singer than Rahat Fateh Ali Khan? I believe that a singer needs to perform songs within his comfort level, so he can actually display his true talent, and it would also be more entertaining to watch a better performance. I personally hated Hemant's kishore kumar performance, and Nihira's performance on the song 'Mast', but within their comfort zone, they are among the better singers on this show. If we look at Saregama's recent shows, Kamal Khan became the winner after delivering countless impeccable sufi and punjabi folk performances on the show. Even in Saregama Lil' Champs, the top 3 singers (Azmat, Salman Ali, Nitin Kumar) constantly sang songs within their comfort zone, and it was a fabulous show for me. On shows like Jo Jeeta Wohi Superstar, and Indian Idol, where versatility seems to be the biggest x factor required, a lot of talent seems to be wasted. If we also recall Mussarat Abbas from Saregama '07, he ONLY became popular after he started singing Nusrat Fateh Ali Khan's songs on the show, he was far from versatile, and so was Raja Hasan, but they still became among the most popular contestants on the show

Your personal preference has nothing to do with the competition. What is important is what factors should be used to judge across a variety of singers to determine the best singer?

Difficulty of song and ability to sing across a variety of genres are important requirements in a competition. Of course that has nothing to with their success as a playback singer because you can be excellent in one genre and make a name for yourself. In your example, if Sonu Nigam and RFAK are competing then they should be tested across a variety of genres and a range of simple to difficult songs and whoever does the best should be determined the most accomplished singer.

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