Dance of Time and Illusion ( Episode Analysis)Part 30updated DTNTPg131

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shruthiravi

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Posted: 8 years ago

#961

@gaymsk not like that. Hope you know the idiom seher seher se ki khatha hai. You need poison to eliminate poison. So who can cut the rule in a man's world. Only a man can. Only if a man goes against that rules, the rule will change. But if a man has to do it, a woman has to help him, by seeing the world through his eyes.

It is not that we are weak. But blind rebellion doesnt help. Dont allow control, but keep the limit. If the limits has to be changed, first limits has to be kept for wrong to happen to you.

Coming to rape, a girl's dress is always blamed for rape. Her timing outside the house. Who was with her, how did she behave.

If you know there is a case in Kerala in 2011 Soumya rape case. One of the things that went in favour of the girl was her limits. She was a sales girl travelling in a passenger train modestly dressed in salwar kameez post her working hours. She was raped and no one from the so called rape apologists could come and point a finger at the victim. Reason everything they use to show victim was the reason the rape happened fell flat in Soumya's case. For the first time the finger was pointed at criminal than the girl in the society. For the first time society of Kerala realized rape is a crime and victim is not responsible for it, it is the man's attitude.

Limits will change, but you need to show injustice can happen in limits. Understand the rules of this man's world, play with the rules if you want to win. Use the same rules to hit back at them. Breaking rules wont help. They will again come up with sob story and make you a criminal.

Man wants to be the centre but does not want to take the responsibility for the same. So he creates the illusion of bringing the woman to centre and put everything on her head. Making us see the world in roles of daughter, wife, mother etc.. is the biggest funda that creates this illusion.

Keep man in the centre as sun is the centre of solar system and move around that like earth. Push him to centre to own up things. Dont jump, use his rules itself to push him to centre 😉 Come out of the roles, see the world through your eyes and decide what kind of men you want there, can you support the right men in creating that ecosystem.

A wrong man gets help, not a man who is trapped in conflicts about the stereotype the world created for him and his love for the women in his life. If you can support a man in conflicts this world will be a better place as he will be able to create a world that has gender balance.

The concept of Narayan itself is that. Sustenance of life. A balanced marriage between a man and a woman whose actions bring positive changes to the society and to the next generation.

Edited by shruthiravi - 8 years ago

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gaymsk

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Posted: 8 years ago

#962

Originally posted by: shruthiravi
@gaymsk not like that. Hope you know the idiom seher seher se ki khatha hai. You need poison to eliminate poison. So who can cut the rule in a man's world. Only a man can. Only if a man goes against that rules, the rule will change. But if a man has to do it, a woman has to help him, by seeing the world through his eyes.
It is not that we are weak. But blind rebellion doesnt help. Dont allow control, but keep the limit. If the limits has to be changed, first limits has to be kept for wrong to happen to you.

Coming to rape, a girl's dress is always blamed for rape. Her timing outside the house. Who was with her, how did she behave.

If you know there is a case in Kerala in 2011 Soumya rape case. One of the things that went in favour of the girl was her limits. She was a sales girl travelling in a passenger train modestly dressed in salwar kameez post her working hours. She was raped and no one from the so called rape apologists could come and point a finger at the victim. Reason everything they use to show victim was the reason the rape happened fell flat in Soumya's case. For the first time the finger was pointed at criminal than the girl in the society. For the first time society of Kerala realized rape is a crime and victim is not responsible for it, it is the man's attitude.

Limits will change, but you need to show injustice can happen in limits. Understand the rules of this man's world, play with the rules if you want to win. Use the same rules to hit back at them. Breaking rules wont help. They will again come up with sob story and make you a criminal.

Man wants to be the centre but does not want to take the responsibility for the same. So he creates the illusion of bringing the woman to centre and put everything on her head. Making us see the world in roles of daughter, wife, mother etc.. is the biggest funda that creates this illusion.

Keep man in the centre as sun is the centre of solar system and move around that like earth. Push him to centre to own up things. Dont jump, use his rules itself to push him to centre 😉 Come out of the roles, see the world through your eyes and decide what kind of men you want there, can you support the right men in creating that ecosystem.

A wrong man gets help, not a man who is trapped in conflicts about the stereotype the world created for him and his love for the women in his life. If you can support a man in conflicts this world will be a better place as he will be able to create a world that has gender balance.

The concept of Narayan itself is that. Sustenance of life. A balanced marriage between a man and a woman whose actions bring positive changes to the society and to the next generation.

ye sara mere sar ke upar se gya , try to explain in simple way , mai khuch nhi samjha bcs of hidden meaning n y r u blaming all man bhaiya , im a man but dont think like dis ki girl should be blame for rape so not all man r same

aur ye last bold para mai bilkul nhi samjha 😕

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shruthiravi

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Posted: 8 years ago

#963

I am not blaming all men dear. How do I put it in simple way.It is about fighting within the system, using the system's rules. If possible please read my story Seven Vows. Link is in my signature. It's pretty long, but my protoganist Sreedhar Varma is a man trapped in conflicts. It's his journey from a carefree young boy to a man. Maybe some answers to my viewpoints can be found there.

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gaymsk

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Posted: 8 years ago

#964

Originally posted by: shruthiravi
I am not blaming all men dear. How do I put it in simple way.It is about fighting within the system, using the system's rules. If possible please read my story Seven Vows. Link is in my signature. It's pretty long, but my protoganist Sreedhar Varma is a man trapped in conflicts. It's his journey from a carefree young boy to a man. Maybe some answers to my viewpoints can be found there.

n dont ur theory of u need a man support to fight fit on jhanvi too , she was helpless bcs she dont had any male support she was weak so failed to protect her child den y u blame jhanvi ,if maya cant fight get respect widout a man same happened wid jhanvi so we cant blame her also😕

dis is so confusing😕

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shruthiravi

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Posted: 8 years ago

#965

10/5/2017

Well it was an average episode. Saanjh is angry. You have betrayed me. You and Maya are connected. Why did you do this to me. What did I do to you. Saanjh same question. What did Maya do to you in season 1 for you to interfere in her life dear. Who asked you to call her huband behind her back. Who asked you to hug him. But then Maya has to understand. It is friendship. Tomorrow you are going to get something similar and I would like to know how you are going to take it.

Vandana Mata why are you sweating. You know Maya. You know what she is capable of. So after doing what you wanted to do, what is the need to be afraid. Do you think you escape her eyes. She might find out what you did. May not completely. Today she told you honestly she has problem with Saanjh. Try to see it from a woman's POV. But I know you wont. Becuase you want Saanjh as bahu. Maya came in the place where you wanted Saanjh. And Jhanvi well dont press that button Jhanvi Mata. There is no point. Maya knows what you are upto. I loved the last line. I am freeing you. Free her Maya. Let her go. Let her live without you in this world. It is better for everyone concerned.

Now Samay comes and tells Maya it is over. He cannot play the game anymore. He has told Saanjh everything. He has done everything Maya wanted. I was like Maya baby what are you doing. I know whatever Samay speaking is your plan.You are going to create the perception of a relation of yours with Samay. It can result dirt being thrown on you. But I feel you are going to take that dirt for your goal.

Today I liked another line of Maya. Today Saanjh got her path and I got my goal. She thanked VM for putting Saanjh in that path.Yes I feel it is today that slow burning of brinjal started. It is not easy for Saanjh after hearing Maya-Samay relation. She cannot tell the truth to her parents as she had told she is not looking into Ayan case and she is not involved with Vandana. So Saanjh will have to bear this truth or the perceived truth.

Saanjh thinks she found out Samay-Maya relation. No she has not. Maya showed her the relation. Yes the connection between Maya and time is the path to truth. Saanjh is on the path to truth and Maya herself put her on the path. But the truth is not going to be easy for her. She will burn like that brinjal in that search and she will experience what she experienced in Maya's house in that search. Where even when dessert is kept in front of you, you dont feel like eating.

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shruthiravi

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Posted: 8 years ago

#966

@gaymsk a man's society gives ultimate power to a woman when she is a mother. A mother can do anything to protect the child, even kill her husband and tell the sob story I did it for my child. What can a Maa do blah blah, society will approve. Just like the justification for VM given by some people in season 1. She is a mother. It is her motherly instinct for the emotional torture and insults she heaped on Maya. So Jhanvi as a mother could definetely have fought as a mother for her child Maya.

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shruthiravi

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Posted: 8 years ago

#967

11/5/2015

Today episode was the real dance of time and illusion. Maya says Samay loves Saanjh. Actually in a metaphor way it is true. Because Dusk is a reality, a medium between day and night while Maya is illusion. Time is always with reality than with perception. But then reality doesnt understand it, which makes time go to illusion so that reality understand the truth.

Saanjh thinks this is right, she has lot of perceptions. Today she told you are fooling Arjun. Arjun loves only you and exactly that part Maya used against her. Telling Arjun loves only her. In his heart only there is Maya. So you please go ahead with Samay. Take the hand of Samay. If you cant trust me, atleast trust Samay.

Other interesting point was Maya telling Samay was thinking, Maya and Samay have come between Arjun and Saanjh and they shouldnt have been there. Again in a metaphor way it is true, because VM and Saanjh thinks it was time and illusion that took away Arjun from Saanjh. As Arjun had belonged to Saanjh. A love which Arjun never confessed. But yes that thought process has bought things to this point.

Now Saanjh has taken Samay's hand, she has told Arjun is her first love a book she has read but Samay is a book she will take some time to read. Yes to understand time it takes some time. As mostly we live in past or in future never in present, whereas time is always in present. Saanjh taking Samay's hand means the man will burn her that's for sure, but the metaphor will take her to truth. The truth which she might not have fathomed.

Arjun says when Maya was telling about her relation with Samay he thought he has lost Maya. Well I wanted to hear that. Reason it was the same insecurity Maya felt when she saw Arjun with Saanjh. Something which Arjun never understood, now another man in Maya's life is making him insecure. Arjun knows Maya loves him and as he said her pagalpan is needed for that love. If that pagalpan is not there the love also might not be there.

Another interesting thing Arjun told, I am with you in the side of good, but if you become bad I will go away from you. Now Maya says she becomes bad for Arjun. When it comes to Arjun she cannot stop herself. So her reason for becoming bad is Arjun and her becoming bad will take away the reason for which she becomes bad. It is a very interesting, complicated situation. The only solution for which is leave Arjun, which I had told multiple times. Allow him to come back to her, which she is not doing. There is no need for her to become bad for his sake. Because if she does that he himself will leave her. So what is the point of becoming bad.

Coming to Samay he will come back to her when Saanjh proves her bad and mad. He didnt like a bit of Saanjh accusing Maya. When the world outcasts her, he will take her. He will make her fight once again. So that should be the last battle. Because this battle Saanjh will win, because she has taken Samay's hand. When time is with you, victory is with you.

So Maya has killed Ashwin. No suspense there. And VM hears it. Let us see where it takes now. I am sure VM is going to do something stupid.

The fundamental question is what Maya says. For Arjun I become bad, but if she becomes bad he will leave her. A woman is questioned by the society for all the fallacies. A man wants a Lakshmi who does his seva, he is not willing to take the hand of a Kali who becomes bad for him. Hence Gowri cease to exist in such a woman pushing her to darkness and self destruction, along with the destruction of others. But if a man can bend in front of Kali, she too can become Durga where goodness and badness co-exist. Where she can nurture and stand as his defense.

Maya is complete Kali now, I am not sure whether Gowri can exist in her, whether there is any hope also. Because she will still want to maintain the facade of Gowri, but by being a Kali. Because Gowri facade is needed to keep Arjun. That is the sad truth of Maya. The facade, the illusion.

I want her to be exposed at the earliest. Because now she is a threat not only to herself but also to others.

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Nithunavi

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Posted: 8 years ago

#968

Such an amazing analysis di !! 👏👏

The kail, Durga part was best explained.

It was all so clear & so beautifully explained once again from u.

Coming to my opinion, I think this show don't have any thrill so waste to call it one after knowing maya is killer.

May be they are planning to end maya at the end.

And also Samay might die at hands of maya because from IV of Piyush I found that he is gng to be more crazy in coming episodes.

Sanjh will win & from arjun's dialogues... He will leave maya once he knows maya is behind ayan case or ashwin murder.

He will go with sanjh & plan against maya.

Vandy is Def gng to do something stupid & get caught by maya.

And did u see maya used her right hand in ashwin murder but it was supposed to be left right?

This show has become so predictable now somehow. The storyline got messy.

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shruthiravi

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Posted: 8 years ago

#969

No nithu, it was not a surprise. Because it was expected. See when Maya cries in front of Ganesha I did the crime spare the mother, I knew that she has done crimes, maybe as a child to protect Jhanvi, now in her delusional mind for Arjun. Her punishment is also will be that, the person for whom she did the crime , she will lose that person unless she change ways. The one for whom she becomes bad doesnt value her.

What is test of fire or test of time. Is the person for whom you are going to take the blame is worthy. Will he or she value your sacrifice. Will he or she understand what you have done for them. Secret of Sita Agnipareeskha and banishment and choice of Krishna to Arjuna lies in the answers to the above question.

The perception when you do bad for others is that they will share your bad karma. No it doesnt happen. No one will share your bad karma as they always want to be good. You are responsible for your action. And it will be like that. Only you will suffer. The journey of Ratnakar to Valmiki starts from this realization that his crimes are not supported by his family, though they take the benefits of it. First line of Ramayana is said to have started when Valmiki uttered " Maa Nishadha" seeing a hunter, hunting down one bird among two birds who were enjoying between themselves. It was symbolic of how this cruel world or society wants to seperate the lovers. In Ramayana also finally the society comes between the divine love of Ram and Sita forcing Ram to sacrifice the love of his life Janaki in the name of dharma.

Maya the girl has to realize this. That she is responsible for her actions. She cannot place the onus of those actions on others.

Coming to Maya's death. No it cannot happen. World needs Maya. Narayan himself needs Maya to do his job of sustaining this world. Only difference is Maya on its own is destructive, while Maya in the hands of Narayan, working in his direction is constructive for the world. Only independant destructive Maya has to go, which Samay will take. Then Arjun will have to walk on fire to get back Maya who sees the world with his eyes and becomes constructive.

Edited by shruthiravi - 8 years ago